I would a million time prefer walking 16 minutes than sitting in traffic for 6.
Locking to prevent more reports about absolutely braindead takes. Some of y’all clearly aren’t adults
I have to commute by car to commute by bus so I’ve started just commuting by car
commuting is D U M B.
the internet exists motherfucker. THE. INTERNET. EXISTS.
every single cubicle office job is dumb, and exists because of bourgeois sadism of depriving us of all of our free time.
My cubicle office job often involves going downstairs to the lab so I can take measurements with equipment far too expensive for me to have at home, and even too expensive for the company to lend out to employees’ home offices.
A lot of return-to-office work is bullshit, but making absolutist blanket statements like that just weakens the argument rather than helping anybody.
Then you don’t have an office job, but a lab job that also involves sitting in an office. Almost every job that is 100% sitting in an office can be done remote.
The reality is that its unnecessary for the absolute majority but there are some exceptions, which people wont list to make their statement absolutely correct. It would be exhausting to do that just to satisfy some people who need that.
I dont mind blanket statements when its something to applies to almost everyone.
Sure, sure … but it’s important to remember that not all jobs are office jobs.
For your delivery drivers, retail shelf-stockers, sanitation workers, farmers, nurses, construction workers, etc, etc, etc … remote work doesn’t really work for them. Remote work is fine for IT jobs, clerical jobs, and administrative jobs, but a lot of jobs can’t be done that way, which means a lot of people still need to commute.
In a nearby harbor they were crying out for dock workers. You have to be at location, but there was no transit option. The nearby city was too expensive for housing for the salary they got so the commute by car from somewhere affordable was long and not worth the pay. Commuting isn’t free.
For sure, but if I don’t have to, that frees up the road for the people who actually need it.
i drive delivery whenever i need to, and i’d appreciate less useless traffic on the streets and the extra money flowing, which sometimes means more and easier work.
i’m sure other commuters would appreciate less congested roads and less wasted time too.
True, true. Less commuting would be a benefit for just about everybody (except wealthy commercial real estate landlords).
Just wanted to point out that saying everyone should stop commuting is pretty hyperbolic.
When you can only commute with a car, yeah it’s dumb. However, I have a daily commute of 1 hour with my bicycle and it’s a great way to get some exercise. In this regard it’s forcing me to move my body, which I otherwise probably wouldn’t in my free time. Gym of life.
What kind of dumb argument is that? If you worked from home you could still take a morning and afternoon bike ride. And you could actually go some place new or run an errand.
Everyone works in different ways. You may not believe it, because it is not your thing but some really want to separate their work location from their free time location and there are also good reasons for doing so. I am not saying everyone has to want that but many do and there is nothing wrong with that. The other thing is that real, face to face communication is simply not the same as an online call, especially low key interactions during lunch or coffee break. Depends on your job of course and they way of working but there is value in it.
If someone can combine the commute with work out, there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Why impose your preferences on that other person?
Why impose your preferences on that other person?
The return-to-office folks are not giving us the option of returning to work if we want. They’re forcing us even when it’s completely unnecessary. So yeah, you should have the option to bike to work when and if you want but the rest of us should have the option to opt out when it’s possible to work from home. That’s 100% not happening.
No, they aren’t. But you did not attack one of those, you attacked someone who was saying he was fine with going to the office by bike.
As I said, I personally wouldn’t do that in my free time, especially not every single day… because I’m too lazy haha
People ask me all the time if taking the bus is stressful but like. bruh I’m zoned out scrolling social media the entire time at the bus stop and on the bus. Or I’m just straight up zoned out. I don’t have to pay attention even to my own driving let alone the rest of these people. And also once in a blue moon the bus driver does something utterly wild like execute a perfect K-turn on a crowded city street in the ice without touching a single car to route around a detour (my mind was blown).
Bus drivers are magicians, I always think “where is he even going to go there’s not even close to enough space” and they just magic the bus smaller to fit while I’m panicking the whole time thinking we’re about to crash.
Turns out, spending 40 hours a week driving makes you pretty good at driving.
Also spending most time driving down the exact same route in mostly the exact same traffic conditions
The world would be a better place if people spent more time recognizing and admiring skilled labor. Like even people who mostly just move and make things. The level of dexterity alone is just 👨🍳🤌💋
Literally the only people in vietnam who use their indicators and take care to avoid bikes. I’m more comfortable lane-splitting between 2 buses than being within 100 feet of a construction vehicle.
Around here, if someone complains about a two hour freeway commute, it’s “man up, it’s just part of life!”
“Man up” is just a universal thought terminating cliche whenever a person that happens to present masculine complains about anything.
And if we’re going to go that route, I prefer “embrace the suck” as a more fun and helpful thought terminating cliche.
It’s also not needlessly gendered, so that’s another point in favour!
What an insane mentality. Barring some pretty specific circumstances I fail to see how anyone would be forced to endure 2 hr commutes. Those people chose that shit.
My husband is blue collar. He goes where things need to be fixed. Sometimes his commute is 15 minutes, but it’s often 2 hours, when you factor in distance and traffic. A lot of blue collar deals with this, and yeah. We choose that shit over being homeless. His tech field laid him and everyone else off a few years ago.
The specific circumstance is your religious family indoctrinating you into thinking you have to have at least 6 children and then you have to move somewhere that you can afford that much space on one income. It’s extremely common in the US.
Traffic is so shitty, it takes two hours to go 20 miles by freeway.
Remove pedestrians, biking and transit because they take up car space. Now everyone drives and you’re 45 minutes stuck in traffic.
As long as I’m in my 18 wheeler pick up truck that takes up 2 lanes and consumes more gallons of gas than a whole pump in the middle east can produce in a day every week, I’m happy!
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Walkable doesn’t mean only walking
Walkable doesn’t mean only walking
Just like portable software doesn’t mean that the only thing you do with software is porting it.
my goodness, im having flashbacks of my pre covid office days spending 6 hrs of commute time just to get on and off to work
every…fucking…day.
6 hours? At that point, I’d drive a camper to work and just sleep in the parking lot.
3 hours each way? Would you elaborate on how that came to be? I’m flabbergasted.
its a subsidized transportation (bus), distance is around 80 km(49.7 miles) from where I live, its a semicon factory and I used to work there as an all around IT starter(support, basic admin, dbms, machine coms, etc.), I enjoyed what I did there thats why I stayed there for 3 yrs and endured that nasty ass commute.
I decided not to rent a nearby place because that would eat like 60% of my monthly salary.
sry for (kinda)trauma dumping , bit weird to do in a shitpost thread :) and yea…im kinda stupid
To be fair, I think depending on your mood and weather it can in fact be nicer to be sitting in a climate controlled box with a nice chair and a stereo system
Even better would be sitting in a climate-controlled box, with a nice chair, and a good stereo system… at home, relaxing after a nice walk.
Sometimes you don’t want to go for a walk, it can be because you’re tired, or because the weather sucks. At that point public transit is best, but depending on how big your town/city is it may not be feasible to fund it properly.
depending on how big your town/city is it may not be feasible to fund it properly.
Maybe you mean how spread out your town/city is because of all the car parks (thanks to mandatory parking requirements, etc).
If a city is spread out that wide, it likely needs a lot more work than plonking in some public transit, but metro and busses can work well together.
But one step at a time! Lets just make it the right steps.
Also depending on how much shit you need to transport.
Even if there was a store within walking distance, I wouldn’t fancy walking with a week’s worth of groceries.
In a walkable area, you don’t buy for a week at a time, you buy what you need for a meal or two. Popping into the store is a pleasant, 10-minute diversion where you’re likely to see friends and neighbors, not a 2-hour safari overland to the edge of nowhere. It means buying fresh, healthy food, rather than the giant pallets of highly-processed product that I see folks haul out of the CostCo.
Americans can’t comprehend European magic.
Okay, sure … but on that note … what kind of maniac would put all those fresh fruits and vegetables all just piled together inside, with no packaging at all to keep them separate/intact and then add a baguette in there as well, just stuffed in among the vegetables? And, somehow, the worst part is that they have 4 red peppers, and the peppers aren’t even all in the same general area, they’re just tossed in there randomly…
You better don’t look in my backpack then. 😂
At one point I had a 55min commute using transit but would usually get hard by weather as 2 of my stops didn’t have cover. Also the occasional meth/fent heads, missed connections, overcrowding…
Or sit in my car on a 45min commute.
Eventually I met it halfway by joining a vanpool but that shit still cost more than mass transit and got expensive when my employer cut transit vouchers.
✨ externalized costs ✨
You saved 10 minutes of time and some personal convenience, and made the world worse for everyone else.
😬
Yes… Because my driving to work in my car is somehow so much worse on our entire world compared to what billionaires are doing or taking an airplane for a 2hr commute or burning coal to power a nation. Or given the fact that our corporate overlords require us to be in office in the first place when my work could be 100% remote… I see I am the problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
“Whataboutism” or “whataboutery” (as in, “but what about X?”) refers to the propaganda strategy of responding to an accusation with a counter-accusation instead of offering an explanation or defense against the original accusation. It is an informal fallacy that the accused party uses to avoid accountability—whether attempting to distract by shifting the conversation’s focus away from their behaviour or attempting to justify themselves by pointing to the similar behaviour (which may be true or false, but irrelevant) of their opponent or another party who is not the current subject of discussion.[1]
Because my driving to work in my car is somehow so much worse on our entire world compared to what billionaires are doing
That wasn’t the claim. My point was that driving makes the world worse. The presence of other people making the world worse to greater degrees or at greater speed is irrelevant.
You’re arguing against a made up claim, probably to justify feeling attacked. Your ego is threatened. It’s common for people to lash out when their sense of being a Good Person is threatened.
you’re correct about the “making the world worse” part. it’s like choosing to toss something in the trash rather than recycling it; that choice may be negligible in the grand scheme of things, but it is worse.
you’re just being an asshole about it.
the way to get people to choose public transit over driving is to improve public transit infrastructure, so that public transit becomes an actual viable alternative to driving, much in the same way the choice to recycle is dependent on the availability of recycling bins and programs.
trying to shame people into switching without taking into account these environmental variables just makes you a prick.
trying to shame people into switching without taking into account these environmental variables just makes you a prick.
You’re right about how shame doesn’t work. It’s an enduring peeve of mine that you have to butter people up and manage their emotions to get them to do anything. It just feels like everyone’s a toddler that needs a shiny sticker so they won’t poison themselves. You’ll be like “smoking is bad for you and everyone around you” and they’ll be like “fuck you I’m going to smoke more now”.
However, in this case the person said they had viable transit. It was just ten minutes slower.
You directed your reply to me “You” means me. Then telling me I am making the world worse.
That is literally attacking someone and you attempting to gaslight by pretending that wasn’t your intention is either an intentional oversight, so you are a moron OR your intention was to fight someone because they do something you don’t like… I’m guessing driving a car.
Your furthering it about my ego and it being a made up claim really just goes to show how far you have taken this.
Learn to communicate. Peace.
You are making the world worse by driving when other options are available.
You then responded to this claim by changing the topic to how billionaires are making the world worse. That’s a whole other topic. That’s probably a deflection to preserve your sense of self as a good person.
If you truly believe “other people are worse so I’m allowed to be bad too” then go ahead and say it. I don’t think that’s a great moral framework, but it would require you to admit that your unnecessary driving is in fact bad, so I’d take that as a win.
And you get to work 10 mins earlier and your not getting paid for that time.
I made $5,000 last year in overtime from clocking in about 20 minutes early every day. My supervisor can see when I clock in, and at this point clearly doesn’t care, so I just keep doing it. It’s not like I’m working when I don’t need to anyway, whether or not I’m on the clock.
Or you leave 10 minutes later and get that time back for yourself
Why would you leave at the same time?
😂 coz I’m a damn fool that’s why
Hiking in the arctic pulling a sled with all your gubbins… or having 12-16 fluffy doggos pull you and the sled for the love of the game?
One of the best features of Waze GPS, is it gives you a countdown counter when you get stuck in traffic.
My city recently got a BRT route. Having a counter that tells you how long you can expect to be stuck in traffic is good UX, but even better is when the trip always takes the same time, because you’re not stuck in car traffic.
Lucky you. Public transport isn’t an option for everyone. Keep your bitchy comment to yourself.
Waze is owned by google and developed in israel by ex-intelligence from unit 8200
And has a useful Countdown counter when stuck in traffic.
I don’t mind being stuck in stop and go traffic because it’s a great time to play candy crush
I know it’s a joke but like, that’s what the bus/train is for.
Can’t play candy crush on the bus because then something bad could happen while I’m distracted
I don’t want to be crowded around strangers, feeling awkward and anxious, in a shitty big vehicle that is constantly jerking and rumbling and takes 4x as long to get where I need to go.
Im sticking to cars. The fuckcars group can suck a fat one. And this is the only place I can vent about it so why not.
My trains, trams, and buses are rarely crowded. Maybe at peak rush hour.
High frequency makes them not crowded. You’re complaining about a poorly designed public transit system, which is probably all you’ve ever encountered.
Lucky you. My city, Edinburgh has one of the highest rated public transport systems. The buses and trams are always full. I use them often but I hate every second of it, it’s a horrible experience, card machines that randomly refuse random cards while accepting others, anti social behaviour, litter strewn about the bus by the recent passengers, windows being opened when it’s cold and closed when it’s sweltering, buses showing up at random times, rude drivers, ridiculous charges for jumping on the tram without a ticket because the ticket machines weren’t working, cancellations and route diversions that aren’t properly sign posted leaving you standing for half an hour with a ticket you can’t refund before some kind soul happens to walk past and give the news that the route stopped 3 stops back, a 45 minute journey becomes 2 hours. I could go on and on, public transport is necessary but under capitalism it’s shit. I’ll stick to driving when I don’t have time for deviations.
The reason for all of the inconveniences you’ve listed is the car-centric urban infrastructure. So yeah, fuck cars.
shitty big vehicle that is constantly jerking and rumbling
So get better mass transit. Metros in most of asia are comfortable enough to take a nap and significantly faster than cars, and at least in Japan even the buses are smooth enough I can nap.
crowded around strangers
Imagine how much less crowded it would be if so much space wasn’t wasted on car infrastructure.
I don’t want to be crowded around strangers, feeling awkward and anxious, in a shitty big vehicle that is constantly jerking and rumbling and takes 4x as long to get where I need to go.
Bicycling would alleviate all of these … except for the last one. (Now it takes 10x as long to get where you need to go. But it’s not crowded, no social anxiety, no shitty big vehicle, less jerking and no rumbling…)
My 3 mile bike ride takes 2 minutes longer door to door than driving.
As has been repeated a few hundred times in this thread already, the part that makes it takes so long is car centric infrastructure. If you live in suburbia where you have a population density of 1k/mi2 (400/km2) you will have to travel a much more significant distance than if you live in a place that has 9k/mi2 (3500/km2)
Then with less car centric infrastructure the benefit of having parking right next to work starts to go away and the extra space can be used to shorten commutes as well
