I appreciate that, but I have very clearly laid out that I’m pissed off at the people who claim to be progressive but who keep voting for a party which continually moves rightward. I’m pissed off because, well before you showed up to my comments here, I was talking about how if we want to see progress we need to actually support that progress with hard numbers. I very clearly explained that the reason I’m mad is because people think they’re voting for an imperfect center-left party to save themselves from the Conservatives but if they so afraid then they may want to know that the Liberals are doing a lot of the same shit. I don’t give a fuck about their fear because that excuse is worthless in this context.

You just wandered in telling me that I’m wrong and then went off about a bunch of shit I responded to with clear answers. I’m not stupifd, I’m explaining why I’m frustrated and I can do that without needing to do all the emotional labour to make people comfortable with their incredibly poor, ill-informed choices.

The only people in the US being broadly unjustly called pedos are minorities. They are being called that by his party and the people who support his party.

Don’t do work for this parasite.

So, we do understand “context” though, right? No one is hearing about a guy who never hurt anyone but who is managing their problem and thinking “I’m gunna go beat them up.” However, there do happen to be a whole lot of people on Cruz’s side of the aisle, including the president, who seem to be the absolute worse possible version of a pedophile.

You haven’t said anything that nullifies, or even weakens, the arguments made or sentiments show in this post.

While it’s true that Bruce Jenner is not their name even if they’re deeply horrid, it feels like Cruz here calls himself Ted so that he can get votes from racist people who wouldn’t elect him solely based on his name. I’m 50/50 on it.

I never asked you to do anything, you just showed up and started making excuses.

Also, you are the masses, and so am I. You can’t just wait for things to be better to start making progress, you have to put the effort in before it’s easy. I don’t vote for the NDP because I think they’re gunna win in the next election, I vote for them because they align the most with my views and because if I jump ship on them now then how will they ever have the support to be better later? How could we change public opinion on their electability by broadcasting a message that would say that we don’t believe they’re electable?

I’m literally telling you that I’m pissed because people do not do the reasonable thing. I am well aware that reason is hard to come by and I am saying that right now. You are deliberately missing the point to try to justify your bad decisions and shitty opinions and I’m really not here for that kind of poor behaviour.

“My fingers are crossed for them” well you’re gunna have to do more than that if you want that to be anything more than a few empty words that are only even there so that you can pretend as if you’re being polite. Considering how hard you’re trying to justify the Liberals, though, maybe genuine effort is not something you really understand.

The only stories I’ve ever heard of involving AI are told by people who, once again, are unable to see how their increase in productivity is not being met with a reduction in work hours. Unless, or course, “reduction in work hours” means they are being shown the door so a different idiot can do kore work for the same amount of pay.

Why does everyone feel the need to do as much as possible as quickly as possible at all times of every single day? And why are most people I talk to using ChatGPT to replace Google searches so they don’t need to actually think?

We all need to slow the fuck down.

Do…do you know how a jury works?

Ok, so putting aside mush comments, let’s talk about those issues.

Singh was around a long time. Could he have been better? I won’t say no. But why would people who question that turn towards a banker who campaigned under the banner of a center-right party?

Human rights and labour support are the same thing. You cannot have one without the other, they are deeply intertwined. The conservatives only have the branding of labour and only if you let them say it. In Ontario, with Doug Ford, how is a rich nepo baby who commits oodles of white-collar crime, spends too much time trying to be the mayor of Toronto, and not doing good things for the working folk the guy who gets to be considered working class?

I have no comment on the immigration thing.

The only reason I would ever consider that excuse for the coalition being a bad idea is the absolutely embarrassingly high levels of political ignorance we in Canada are capable of.

I’ve gotta watch the debate, it’s on my list of things to do, but honestly can we just drop the whole charisma angle? We’re talking about why progressive voters would vote for the Liberals and you cannot tell me that Carney was Captain Charisma. Even today I just see a horribly beige, empty suit who’s just a puppet for allowing provate companies and the US to run roughshod over us. He’s painfully forgettable, except that we will be feeling all the weakened environmental protections deeply for a very long time, so drop the “charisma” bullshit. Besides, PP was being dweeby enough that my own, historically conservative, father voted directly against him(I’m from Ottawa) and they still got votes. Progressives are supposed to be better than this and if we need someone to show up with purotechnics in order to be energized to do the right thing then that’s beyond sad.

It all comes back to the idea that there is no reason you can give that could not be thrown directly back, and harder, at the Liberals and that I’m speaking directly to all the people who stomped all over our progressive option just to elect an obvious right-wing grifter. The Liberals just need to show up and they get treated like the defauly but the NDP need to do a whole song and dance just to continue to be ignored? And you think that makes sense?

Not only that, but us straight, white dudes do so many shootings that despite there really not being that many trans people they’re still under-represented. It’s not like there were only five shootings and so 20% was by a trans person, there were so many that it’s less than a percent.

It’s not just the flat numbers, but the percentages, too.

I believe, as I’ve stated, that if you claim to be progressive and think that the Liberals will save you, you’re a fucking idiot. I have been abundantly clear.

Brother, I have no clue what conversation you’re having or with who. I detest the Liberals, have never voted for them, do not trust any rotten word out of their mouths, and did say “openly hate”, with italics and everything, but if you keep responding as if I’m writing in favour of them then I’m not surprised you missed that part, too.

Go take a deep breath, buddy.

The NDP is the most progressive thing we have with real coverage, and the Liberals are, at this point, just conservatives that don’t openly hate minorities.

What the hell are you talking about?

The fuck are you talking about? They formed a coalition so they could represent their constituents and force the Liberal party to be at least somewhat useful. That’s what governments should be and it’s why minority governments are such a good thing. If you hate the Liberals so much that you don’t want the NDP near them then what the hell is your real position trying to claim we shouldn’t be voting for the NDP and then, I imagine, should be voting for the Liberals?

And then they get in trouble for working with the Liberals and they get in trouble for not being a homogenous blob, too? You don’t have a real stance, your brain is fucking mush, and nothing you’re saying is backed by any kind of true critical thought. Embarrassing.

That’s not the burn you think it is, not even fucking close. Also fucking hilarious that you think Carney is a progressive.

And how is the NDP supposed be built if we keep not voting for them? Are they supposed to just do a bunch of work for free for a few decades? They basically already have, and they simply got loss of official party status as a reward for that.

The Liberals aren’t just boring, they’re actively harmful. I don’t want Poilievre anywhere near power either but I’m not so naive as to believe that this battle is over, or even progressing, just because we sacrificed our values again. They’ve become very close to the conservatives we were all supposed to be afraid of back in 2021, and their trajectory is that they’re getting worse, not better. If the Liberal voters are so wise, should they not be acutely aware of this fact?

You even admit that coalitions work and, I imagine, understand that the NDP used their leverage to get Canadians things that we needed when the Liberals weren’t going to on their own. They fight for us even when they aren’t in full control. How are they supposed to form a coalition without having any seats?

It’s always “now is not the time” with you lot. It’s cowardly and weak. You’re right that it’s going to take time, so we better start now if we want to see any change in the future. Yes, it will suck for a moment, but do you really believe that the solution is to make endless excuses every single election cycle?

What’d they do to nuke themselves? The only complaints are “they don’t do anything” even they did a lot even just as the other member of a coalition government during the Liberal’s last run, and people also say they aren’t charismatic enough but I never once got the feeling that Trudeau was particulary charismatic and we just elected a boring banker who is even more boring now. Why the double standard all the time? Why do they need to be 100% perfect just to still get thrown aside but the Liberals get to be all kinda of fucked and we still consider them some kind of “default” party?

Something tells me fighter planes don’t get updates from anything other than a computer plugged directly into them.

If the other options don’t exist then how are the private daycares struggling to fill the classrooms? People need their kids taken care of, I doubt anyone is prematurely taking their kids out of private daycare.

Conservatives are dumb as hell, they probably don’t even realize that they’re getting the same ideology they used to vote for just under a different name.

If I could magic one seemingly small thing into the world it would be to make everyone think just a tiny bit more about what they were doing. It would be to make them vote honestly and in alignment with their ideology and not based on their past choices or party branding.