“Unremoval of Piracy Communities” https://lemmy.world/post/6018317
This post needs to be updated to reflect the current policy.
Six months later, a new Removal of piracy communities announcement confirmed that these communities had been removed. !piracy@lemmy.dbzer0.com, which was the most popular piracy community, is still inaccessible to lemmy.world users. This is misleading: users see the old post, sign-up, and then find out they cannot access the community.
Please edit the original post to include the new removal announcement.
That’s why it’s nice not to use lemmy.world
Turns out the admins and community moderators there lie or just don’t care, mild shock.
That’s rich coming from fedi. On pexelfed there’s a guy that takes pictures of people’s faces, cars, license plates, and homes with addresses and nothing can be done about it. I just flat out blocked this ugly looking fucker but he still shows up on my feed. You can’t report him so it dawns on me that there’s also nothing that can be done on Pixelfed or other platforms on fedi about harassment or doxxing.
Okey you can defederate completaly this kind of illegal things.
But for political reasons we shouldn’t do that
Wait what? Just random people or does he target certain people? Not that one is better or worse but this is just…. I dunno sounds like an angry person with untreated neurological issues.
I’m sorry if this goes against any rules, i don’t know but on pixelfed they go by iZone and Zf@c.im he’s not doing anything wrong against users but the pics he takes are what a stalker would take.
Laughs in @lemmy.dbzer0.com.
The strength of the fediverse is exactly this: don’t like what an instance admin is doing? Move to another instance or create your own.
defederates Feddit
That’s a pro in my book considering I had harassment directed my way by a feddit admin.
You say that as if it’s a gotcha, not a boon
Ultimately when you criticize censorship you ultimately get a bunch of Freeze peach libertarians who want to do whatever they want and see moderation as something to fear. That’s why it’s important to be precise and not speak in broad or abstract terms when criticizing censorship.
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different. This is why I tell people not to use db0.
Used to be the first thing we’d suggest but it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Yeah, because piefed.world doesn’t defed or censor anyone. Lol
If censorship is what’s being criticized, it’s no different.
I hate when censorship comes for people I do like.
I love when censorship comes for people I don’t like.
it’s just become such a nanny instance that jumps on everyone’s shit.
Admins are fighting a flood of instances and users more interested in getting attention than participating in the community. Consequently, you’ll have power users ballooning the front page with click-bait. You’ll have instances choke full of reactionary content specifically intended to bait a flame war. You’ll have spammers plugging their own brands or working on behalf of some third party. And you’ll have the odd bot-farm or other automated account that’s just probing the Fediverse for gaps.
“Ah, but the individual users can always block what they choose”
Sure. Technically. But nobody wants to wake up every morning to a front page that’s full of shit. The spammers can bloat your inbox faster than the individual can flush it out. So Admins who step in and do a little public house cleaning - the Nanny work you hate - makes the website cleaner and friendlier for lay users that pop in now and then.
feddit wasn’t a spam instance?
I think the censorship arguments can definitely use some maturing… for example, what would you think of the cultural censorship that occurs with Nazi ideology? Probably want to keep that one, huh?
We don’t necessarily want to do away with censorship, I think. But, I think in the most mature world, it would be healthy to.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back? Why does the priest say the solution is faith, an inward focused quality to be solved at the individual-level?
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology… sometimes I don’t know if humans can help it. Censorship is a … nuanced issue.
Why can’t the boy ask his priest about his most serious doubts regarding god, and receive an honest answer back?
Why is the priest allowed to just make shit up with nothing more than a bronze aged poorly translated manuscript to back him up? The boy should be able to ask away. It’s the priest that should be censored.
There is so much fear, so much bias, so much identity tethered to ideology
Crazy factoid I learned recently. Children younger than 18 are prohibited from participating in religious activities and receiving religious education, even in schools run by religious organizations within China. If you’re too young to consent, you’re too young to be indoctrinated into a religious tradition.
We vote on who we want to defederate from. Our vote threads even have cool pirate themed images and stuff.
They even make less content an event so you can celebrate your own loss?
Things are done there by consent. I see that’s something you don’t approve of.
By consent of others, whoever registered there will be forced to that outcome even if they disagree. I fail to see how that’s a good thing
Seems kinda hypcritical. Aw well, hivemind gonna hivemind.
Go make your own “censor free” instance and stop whining, jfc
They’ll probably whine when it gets defederated due to hosting libertarian freeze peach trolls. Which often happens with no-defed instances. Either that or they’ll learn why defederation is done when they can’t keep up and they end up closing their instance down.
That’s why I run my own instance, dont like others decide what must be censored for me.
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Its not that difficult you need a VPS or a public reachable ip at home and docker/podman.
But so you can decide for others what you want to censor for them on your instance. Because I can name a few things that you would probably want ASAP removed from your instance, if someone posted such things.
Everyone would do the same if they personally were exposed to legal liability.
I highly suspect that they’re the sole user on their instance. That’s fairly common for people who just want to avoid the headache of dealing with rogue admins. Just spin up an instance, and then your server only federates with the instances and communities that you directly interact with. No need to worry about the “things you would want removed ASAP” unless you’re the one seeking out those things.
I am my only user, so…
So you run your own instance and federate with other instances as you please? How are you hosting it / is it doable via docker?
Yes, you can use docker: https://join-lemmy.org/docs/administration/install_docker.html
I recommend using a VPS with wireguard and a cheap used workstation like a Dell Optiplex for the actual hosting. That way you can forward all ports without your ISP knowing.
Yes I use docker, I have documented my effort here https://wiki.gardiol.org/doku.php?id=services%3Alemmy
It was pretty easy and require zero maintenance, just remember to update the containers. Space utiliztion and resources are pretty low, depending on how many communities you subscribe.
Also, I host it at home (with public reachable ip of course)
I didn’t mean this post would make people talk about whole federation and censorship. Looks like we really need to talk about Federation and Censorship
I had no idea this was a thing. Interesting. I can see from liability why this is not something they dont want to touch, being a general purpose instance.
I think lemmy/fediverse needs a place where if you try and subscribe to something blocked, you get a post/page explaining why they did the thing. Its going to confuse new users otherwise.
IIRC when it was implemented in the first place, it seemed like lemmy.world had actually been contacted by some stakeholder with a DMCA-style request, even though the community was not actually originating on lemmy.world. Explaining how federation worked to lawyers didn’t matter much and with .world at the time becoming one of the larger and more visible instances that seemed like the best way to avoid the headaches. Initially they defederated with dbzer0 entirely before developing a way to block just the community.
Considering the bullshit spewed by them to justify their ban of pro-Luigi comments, claiming they consulted a lawyer, I doubt this ever happened.
Is it a known thing that they were dishonest about speaking to a lawyer with that situation?
I’ve been meaning to change instances and find a new home, if it’s known that they lied or mislead their users thats something I’d love to know more about
Hey Cris,
As someone else said in the comments, https://lemmy.zip/ is very nice. You can see the monthly updates from the admins on !home@lemmy.zip
And if you want to give Piefed a chance, they have https://piefed.zip/ as well
You can import your Lemmy.world settings and blocks from the account settings
I’ve been on a few instances. Was on lemm.ee before owner-fatigue. Joined a couple since, but lemmy.zip felt closer to my old instance than any other. Super transparent admin and one of the reasons I have a monthly donation set up. Got good quality folks here, also!
lemmy.world is my least favourite part of lemmy.
Wait until I tell you about .ml
Oh wait…. Shit, sorry.
I recently read an interesting comment about .ml that I think is worth sharing: https://lemmy.ml/post/42725005/23793647
That a nice wall of text but does not track onto reality.
As nice as those anticommercial ideals are, I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml. Some really, really bizarre cyberstalking weirdos too.
Might be survivorship bias because only the assholes get noticed, but .ml has a pretty shitty reputation because of them.
I generally just see shills that enjoy downplaying Russia’s invasion and justifying Iran’s mass-murdering of protesters out of .ml
From your post on YPTB https://lemmy.ml/post/43198332, I think you’re tend to misinterpret things. Even people from .world pointed it out.
Hi, I am from an instance no one ever seems to talk about and when reading these kinds of threads I am glad I made that choice. 😁
To be fair to others less knowledgeable, I’ve seen first hand someone admitting they joined .ml because it was the first/largest server they learned about, not knowing it was a marxist-leninist joint, and they were asking how to transfer their account up on outta there. That was a fun thread lol
My point is, just like we can’t judge people based on their national origin, we shouldn’t judge people from their home instance. But as a general rule, yeah .ml reeks lol
Ok everybody. You heard them! Everybody talk about discuss.tchncs.de! Let’s ALL form opinions and talk at length about them!
Every single user I’ve seen from that instance wants to remain relatively unknown, like they’ve got something to hide.
…ok, I honestly can’t tell if you’re in on the joke, or if you’re being a nutjob.
You can’t tell they were joking around? :/
Well, I can tell. They are.
We all are, lol. Text with no conveyance of emotion sure is fun and never leads to arguments, ever!
Actually, I’m starting to think that sarcasm on the internet may be the problem…🤔
technics? those are the fancy lego right? i’m all about fancy lego
also lemmy.ml
It’s been 2 years, what made you dig that up?
Because nothing has changed?
People have had 2 years to switch to another instance. Lemmy.zip, used by OP, is nice.
Personally I think if LW wants to ban a certain kind of content, more power to them. But they should be transparent about it.
If they’ve said they’ll unban pirate content, then pirate content should be allowed. If they want it banned, fine, but make a statement clarifying that that is the case.
OP is doing good work by pointing this out.
People don’t want to switch.
Then they’re the same as the Reddit users who refuse to move. It’s not hard to move to a different Lemmy/PieFed instance, that’s our strength. You can export your account data and import it to your new instance so your subscriptions transfer.
But your upvotes and comment history don’t.
For some of us, that’s not a bad thing. I tend to burn my account and make a new one every year or two, just to minimize the accumulation of potential doxxing material.
I also tend to swap things like my specific location when I talk about where I live. Pretty sure on just this one account I have comments saying I live in Texas, Oklahoma, and New Mexico. I’ll even change how I talk about my job. I work in live entertainment, but that’s a very broad category. I change details like how many seats my venue has, what my specific job is, (for instance, on this account I’m an audio technician), what my work history is like, what kinds of shows I tend to work, etc… All of them have grains of truth, (for instance, I have worked as an audio technician in the past, so I know what the job entails), but none are truly correct and all are red herrings in some way.
Sure but IDK that just doesn’t seem important. That’s the same issue we had switching from Reddit to Lemmy. My Reddit posts aren’t gone and neither are my programming.dev posts, I’m here on retrolemmy.com now and I’m fine leaving my old account behind. If I need to edit an old post then I’ll open programming.dev but that doesn’t bother me.
IDK that just doesn’t seem important.
I’m fine leaving my old account behind.
Then we have different viewpoints. I’m very much NOT ok with leaving my old account behind.
If AI hadn’t banned me on reddit, I’d be much happier over there. I’d have my old account, and all my post history going back 10 years. Which by this point would be more like 12 or 13 years.
It’s not important to you, but it’s important to me. Just because youhave an opinion doesn’t make it “the right way”. Everyone can have different opinions, and thats ok.
Literally 3 months after I got here, and started figuring out how the fediverse worked, I was calling for changes. Quite frankly, what I thought the fediverse was is a lot cooler than what it actually is.
I can post a picture here from pixelfed, but it’s no different than posting a picture from imgur.
So the account history is all I have to look back at.
Then admins have no reasons to change anything
People want access to the defederated instances, on lemmy.world.
People also wanted API access on Reddit in 2023, and here we are
Reddit refused access to API, and people left reddit.
Lemmy.world is refusing access to the pirate instances.
By your logic, people should leave Lemmy.
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By law, you cannot host and distribute licensed/copyrighted content, not talk about it. Not even reddit bans piracy related subs. Pretty sure FitGirl (was that the one?) uses a subreddit as official community.
