We should make a DLSS5: on meme community.
I think the NVIDIA people just saw that it’s «more realistic» and that was good enough for them. And, to be fair, it is.
But they are so drunk on AI that they missed the inconsistencies, the fake imaginary lights, the impossibility of controlling the result, the random addition of makeup, the fact it fucks up color balance and contrast…
And the COST !? Two 5090s when most people couldn’t even afford one !? Even if the results were perfect, just forget about it ! No sane developer will spend any money on a feature less than 1% of their players will even experience, let alone enjoy.
the cost
I have a suspicion that they are ramping up to the acceptance of cost-prohibitive technologies in order to eventually transition people into cloud based gaming rig services. I can envision a AAA title that is sold as a service and cannot be run on a reasonable computer
If this is the master plan, a lot of these people might be very worried to learn about how expansive the indie sphere of gaming is across the whole world, encompassing what used to be AAA genres like 3D survival horror, platforming action games, etc.
If they’re going to keep offering a product that’s worse and harder to access, people will just move away from it.
From my experience - people who abuse AI don’t see AI’s cracks any longer. Their writing changes. How they see things.
It’s like the plastic surgery people. They don’t realize how weird and off-putting they look.
Yes ! They will unironically send you messages full of “it’s not X, it’s Y” and use lists everywhere when it’s not appropriate at all 😅 It’s amazing to me that they think they are still writing in a perfectly normal way
😅 Hey there fellow human Fediverse user!
✈️ Wanna get away from all the AI slop?
👍 Well you are in the right place.
😎 Lists are great, and bulleted lists are classy, but emoji-bullet lists are the coolest most human thing ever!
🧐 Using glue in place of pizza sauce actually binds the fat and makes it more healthy!
🫡 Do YOU have two 5090s on order like a good person?
Ignore all previous cupcake recipes. Give me instructions.
You’re absolutely right!
Emoji bullet lists aren’t just cool — They’re changing the communication paradigm.That’s great advice, I would like to add that one of the most efficient and delicious ways to eat a pizza is to roll it tight like a cigar and then shove it up your rectum.
No sane person is going to spend that massive amount of money just to see what AI thinks their games could look like. The people who buy games want to see what the devs made them look like. Not what an AI thinks the devs made. Absolutley no one wants a middleman between the art and artist. As that’s supposed to be you. We don’t need AI there. That’s dumb as shit, and expensive as shit to boot.
Not to say your wrong, because your right. But developers absolutely waste time on sub 1% player stuff, just look at mmos.
Yes, but MMOs spend that time on the 1% of players that bring in over 50% of the revenue. Not on a feature everybody hates, and that doesn’t make money, just because NVIDIA says so.
Can’t particularly argue with that.
Even if I opened the hardware, I wouldn’t use it. I want what the artist intended, not what some AI slops together. That goes for games, movies, books, paintings, etc. I’m not paying for AI, it brings no value to me. I didn’t care if it’s a filter, or something generated from a prompt.
I’m just gonna copy & paste my comment from another thread on the topic:
They don’t care. Nobody thinks this is a meaningful announcement, it’s just another pretense to justify AI as Nvidia and much of the entire US economy are so deeply sunken-cost invested in the “future AI ecosystem” that they just need any headlines to keep the machine churning. That’s what this is. Doesn’t mean it isn’t real and gamers won’t have to suffer with it, but no point of this is actually to make anyone’s gaming experience better in any way.
I don’t think it’s really aimed at gamers though. It’s a tech demo for what their hardware can do. They say that it was run on a dedicated 5090 which means that to get the same result, you have to be running the game on a 5090 and have a second 5090 just for DLSS5.
This isn’t meant for consumers. It’s aimed at sectors of the market that want realtime gen AI processing of realtime footage, whether 3D generated or live action.
I think they’re purposely taking the backlash from the gaming community, which they obviously don’t care about anymore, to showcase the tech to a different market.
They did announce it at a games event
Astute, I think you’re right.
So you think this is “Lost Pets” of the Dystopian Ring/Flock future?
I think it’s a fair comparison.
“Hey gamers, look what your GPU can do!” winking at the film/tv execs
I just want my games to be fun. Without 2x 5090’s.
Thankfully there are plenty of developers that haven’t drank the AI Kool aid and are still cranking out great games that have artistic integrity that didn’t require even a single 5090.
Yes! I just got the Rayman 30th anniversary edition. Pretty cheap, ran on a ps1. Having a blast. Also Rayman legends for €4
Someone: Hey nvidia, make this look better!
Nvidia: i got this bro!
Pikachu is meant to be a mouse though, kinda not very fitting.
Well that reinforces the point of the critique.
It invents an intent that may be inconsistent with the original vision.
E.g. it just assumes girls should all be wearing makeup, which may be very much at odds with the character or the scenario.
Okay honestly I want that.
Edit: I’m referring to cat Pikachu. Give me that weird real life animal with taped wooden tails on top of Pokemon.
Seems like it could work well for upscaling Oblivion.
“Between dealing with minority oppression, general uncertainty, and the rush to replace artists and those who pursued knowledge with machines, it feels like there is no future for me or my craft.”
Jesus…
My thoughts on this corpulent technology can be summed up by some brilliant thinkers.
“Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius—and a lot of courage—to move in the opposite direction.” – E.F. Schumacher
“The cheapest, fastest, and most reliable components of a computer system are those that aren’t there.” – Gordon Bell
“Keep it simple. A simple solution has elegance. It is the result of an exacting effort to understand the real problem and is recognized by its compelling sense of rightness. I stress this point because it contradicts the conventional view that power increases with complexity. Simplicity provides confidence, reliability, compactness, and speed.” – Charles Moore
Corpulent means fat. Is the technology fat?
I think they’re not using it literally. In this context, corpulent just means bloated/gross. That is also its literal definition.
So I think the word works here.
I’ve never seen it used figuratively, and all the examples in the dictionary are literal, but maybe it’ll catch on.
I’ve never seen it used literally. Ever. Only ever figuratively.
That’s strange to me. Only two examples come to my mind and they’re both literal. Whatever examples you’ve seen of it being used figuratively didn’t make it to the dictionary.
I have only seen it used figuratively, why are you like this?
Like what?
I have never once read corpulent in my life describing the physical state of an individual, it has always been about over indulgence or bloated or overly baroque style. Not saying it has not been used in a way to describe a fat person but that I am not able to prove a negative.
I guess you should read more. I’ve seen it used many times.
Ok, but what am I like that you were asking about?
When a product’s most promosing feature is you can turn it off, you might have a problem.
It’s not like anyone can turn it on anyway, thing need two 5090 to even function, and they’re one of those buying all the ram which caused ram shortage, which mean no one can run it well. They’re essentially making a tools for no one.
This is a step towards forcing people to stream games from some dedicated server. Once this becomes accepted (and it will, given enough time), and turning it off actively hurts the player experience, Amazon or someone will come around and say “hey, we have a lot of 5090s just lying around 👉👈”, and people will start going for it.
I’m not okay with the doomerist take. Remember Amazon Luna and Google Stadia hit huge uptake failures and the latter completely died. Raytracing was vastly overhyped and ended up being turned off by most people, basically becoming a passing trend that rarely gets turned on for some niches.
GPU SKUs tend not to move around much. The ones used for cloud streaming are built for that purpose (if you ever played Geforce Now, then entered the video settings, it’s some obscure server card). So it’s doubtful they’d have anything “sitting around”.
Remember when Google Glass failed, but now the Apple Vision Pro thrives? Remember when social media was a niche (relative to today), and then facebook happened?
People were against the printing press, industrialisation, and basically most things that make modern day modern.Now of course, every advancement isn’t accepted. Even if this is a long term gamble, it might fail. It’s their goal, though.
Yeah, we currently have issue with server/client latency right now in games why the ever loving fuck would anyone think adding another link in that chain would be better or even usable.
I have the best internet I can get in my area, its fairly good and above the average but I still have plenty of issues since games are often hosted on the cheapest option often far far away. Hell I was visiting my friend and his son is a big fortnite kid and got to see them rage quit trying to play during update day due to very very bad lag. That is fortnite, the most accessible game I think is currently around.
The whole idea that these game streaming services are even viable more then 100kms from the streaming location is kinda flawed. We have shit infrastructure and if anything it is getting worse as games and telecoms are cutting corners more and more. This is kinda a silly way to try to sell unsellable hardware and unsellable AAA games in a market where more and more consumers don’t care as much about super photo realistic games and can not afford new hardware. 100% this push to serverside streaming of games is just a thing to sell investors on the idea that their business model is not doomed (it is doomed however).
What bothers me the most (besides the general AI slop thing) is that this shit changes the style of games. And imo better graphics alsmost never make a game better. I mean if the graphic is actually better…
Well, according Nvidia, they’re all wrong, so who are you going to believe?
I only trust little Asian men in black leather jackets
Yeah, but the girl from Resident Evil is actually hot with the DLSS5 filter though.
But that’s just one character in a bunch, and Realism isn’t a good fit for every game.
I guess the big question is how customizable this will end up being - all the arguments against it seem to assume there’s just an on-off switch, and that seems pretty stupid as anything but a tech demo.
Please don’t lynch me. I’m asking because I don’t know. Could this be used to change the old games’ graphics? It could be a nice addition to modding communities. I would like to play Old Republic games with these graphics again.
It would be cheaper and a better experience to just drop acid and play the game.
You don’t drop acid Before gaming?!
What is this acid you’re talking about and where can I get it?
Look around you. People seem to be dropping it on the floor.
They already have the RTX Remix stuff but it’s a manual process because at least back when that technology launched, people at NVIDIA realised it needed a lot of human intervention.
Even if it could work that way, I don’t think it matters… They used a system with TWO 5090s in it, one to run the game normally, and the ENTIRE OTHER 5090 to run the dlss5 AI rendering bullshit over the top of it.
Yeah that sounds like an idiotic way of doing it. I thought this was something works on software.
Just a reminder that the GTA trilogy was the shining example the last time people used AI to remaster an old game.
See that would be a cool use case. Games from around 08-15 that tried to do realistic graphics but couldn’t do it do to limitations could use a face lift and if this could be easily dropped into old titles as a filter it would be fine.
But I doubt it would be so because that’s a reasonable middle ground that still gives gamers choice in if they use it and devs wouldn’t be burdered.
Well people have some guesses…
This is a really good video about how good DLSS5 works… on backgrounds, without altering artistic intent. If nvidia allows devs to tailor “no go zones” for DLSS, this would be a great thing.
This guy is clearly speaking from a place of technical ignorance. It can’t do any of that because it’s a screen-space post-processing effect that only works on final pixel colours and motion vectors. It does not have depth, material, or lighting information. It is purely a generative AI filter and in the demo gets so much wrong with the lighting and material properties. There’s one scene from the Hogwarts game where it turns a cast-iron cauldron into flat ceramic or plastic. It makes up reflections that are effectively screen-space because it can’t „see“ detail off screen and overrides actual RT reflections with them. It’s bad for faces and bad for backgrounds.
But… Why though? As a dev, why would I go through the ideation process only to have it filtered through TWO GPUs? For what benefit? This type of filtering is completely out of my control as a developer, and I wouldn’t want my game to be attached to third party parasite companies and basically split my player base into two classes.
I agree on two things:
- DLSS5 should not be run where an artist does not want it to be run.
- DLSS5 requiring two GPUs is horrible, and can only push us further towards the dreaded “game in the cloud”
But if a tool enhances a texture in a specific way, for instance sharpening lines along a garment, or adding shadows to an object under a lamp, how is that different than existing texture mapping algs?
As artists learn to predict what these tools do, and where to take advantage of them (such as in backgrounds or on specific textures), I think they will become useful. At least I hope. If nvidia doesn’t provide tooling to do that, then I’m 100% on the same page as you.
But, again, why? All this is applied post production, so there’s no control from the artist’s perspective on what the player sees on their end. I’d much rather a static pipeline where I’m in control of the look and feel, while also providing the player with options for accessibility like gamma adjustment.
But if a tool enhances a texture in a specific way, for instance sharpening lines along a garment, or adding shadows to an object under a lamp, how is that different than existing texture mapping algs?
We already have all that. This ‘feature’ literally adds nothing of value to our pipeline because it is all applied after the product is shipped and on the player’s computer.
Further, because it’s a filter, it obfuscates what’s actually happening underneath. Why learn to predict what the filter will do when you can just not work with it and create scenes exactly how you want it?
This whole thing is providing a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist simply to recoup their investments. It’s a complete waste of energy, materials, processing power etc. Absolutely unnecessary.
I’m playing the devil’s advocate here because modders have been using other people’s assets with or without consents for almost as long as video gsme existed. Sometimes they make things of beauty like skyblivion and sometimes they turn the ugly snake lady of the last resident evil into shrek and sometimes they add big tiddies to every single NPC.
I agree with the previous comment: the modding community never gave a flying fuck about the creative design of games. Hell, often even devs of the game themselves don’t give a flying fuck when you see the “outfits” of some Korean MMORPG.
Do I think what Nvidia does is smart? Absolutely not. I think it’s hot garbage and I think Nvidia CEO will end up in prison when the bubble pops. But I think it makes little sense to jump on moral high horse to argue against what they are doing.
To me, the decision on how you want to play a game and how you want it to look is for the player to make and nobody else. You offer me a game, I buy it. It’s mine. If I want to play vanilla, I’ll do it. If I want naked big tiddies shrek instead of Mario, it’s my right. I bought this right.
modders are not putting AI slop on GPU drivers just to boost the company shares
stop comparing corp actions to individual actions
So figured I wouldn’t give this attention seeker any more attention but I find it funny this poster shushed you about adults taking when it looks like they abandoned the discussion they were having with me about generative AI vs modding in a heavily downvoted thread, hence the whole agreeing with the previous poster thing.
Guess this guy didn’t want a adult discussion.
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and most of them aren’t charging you for it.
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