“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”
“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”
“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”
Forcing Jews to have Christian values is NOT Anti Semetic! Anti Semetic is when you DONT Bomb Children!
-Republicans, The ADL AND AIPAC!
These are the same people projecting that respect for others living their own lives was shoving DEI down their throats.
Good luck. This is a stupid hill to die on. A huge chunk of Gen Z identifies under the LGBT umbrella (around one in three.) There’s no going back.
As is tradition.
I feel like that one line from Kingsman (the good one, right before the fight scene in the church) is appropriate here.
Harry Hart: [to bigoted church lady] I’m a Catholic whore, currently enjoying congress out of wedlock with my black Jewish boyfriend who works at a military abortion clinic. So, hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon, madam.
What did Jesus have to say about immigrants?
What did Jesus have to say about taxes?
What did Jesus have to say about retaliation?
What did Jesus have to say about money and what should be done with it if you have it?
What did Jesus say you should do with everything you own?
Jesus was a Communist. Own nothing. Share everything.
Yeah, my question for this was “WHAT Christian values”, because if they were going to push the fundamental teachings of Jesus I’d actually be ok with that. What they really mean though, is to hang crosses and Bibles in every school and then watch the government speed run breaking every one of the 10 commandments, never mind the teachings of JC.
They are modern-day pharisees.
Theocracies must die.
Amen
US religious fundamentalism is no different to any other religious fundamentalism. None of those people can see the irony in their hatred in pursuit of a love that they, and only they can define.
I have rarely seen a nation further from “christian values” than the United States at this moment.
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
The “I’m not homophobic! You can do what you want but just dont force it on me or my kids” crowd, everybody.
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” - Denis Diderot
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don’t know what those are?
Hating gays and black people. They know them very well. Oh yeah and raping kids. They predator handshake with christians about that
I think the Bible I read had the pages where Jesus raped kids and slung racist slurs at minorities ripped out.
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
This guy is an Atheist, running a scam, as are MOST religious leaders. They absolutely do not believe in God, or any kind of an afterlife, because if they did, they would NEVER support the obviously heinous behavior of MAGA. They would be too defensive of their immortal soul. The fact that they are jumping in with full support of MAGA’s obviously, cartoonishly evil agenda, proves who they really are.
Religion is a business, and should be treated like one. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives churches some special benefit. In fact, it literally says that the government should not be supporting any religion. So why does the government support religion by making it tax exempt?
EVERY church should be investigated, and most should be abolished as illegal tax avoidance scams. The rest should be heavily taxed, with the tax revenue earmarked for the public good, not military or law enforcement in any way. It should ALL go into the fund for Social Safety Nets, including universal health care.
And it should also be strongly regulated, with their donations being public record. Tithes should be heavily regulated, and the money fully accounted for. All churches should be operated with the same legal obligations as any other business.
I am not so sure about this. At the top, fundamentalist have convinced themselves that God can choose champions who are above all of his rules. They are chosen, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Rest of the people, of course, needs to abide to “God’s rules”.
At the bottom, it’s kept simple: anything and anyone they dislike is anti-christian (that can be stretched to no end).100% - I grew up in this.
They live in “feelings”. You go to church, you raise your hands during worship and there’s a collective weirdness where you “feel” like you’re “in gods presence”.
Because of this feeling they get to be the worst humans imaginable because every Sunday they get the feel goods and Jesus loves them and they literally do not believe they’ve done anything wrong because of it.
Horrible horrible people.
Nonsense, nobody with the intelligence to start a church and convince people to join it, believes that kind of nonsense. It is LITERALLY like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and INSISTING that our entire society should be configured to follow the rules that Santa Claus and/or the Easter Bunny demands. And who interprets those demands? Those same religious leaders. And surprise! Those demands include doing everything those leaders tell you to do without hesitation or question, and giving them as much money as you can possibly come up with.
It’s a scam, and they KNOW it’s a scam. NONE of them believe in God, or they would be absolutely certain that they are destined for Hell. Or maybe they do, and they know that since they’re going to Hell anyway, they might as well take advantage of the fun on Earth, before they go to their eternity of getting poked in the ass with a pitchfork, or whatever their weird cult believes.
I think it’s a mix, with overlap, and the ratios are tough to determine. Opportunists and believers align in stroking their egos and celebrating class or human exceptionalism. I imagine the tip-top of the pyramid consists primarily of opportunists, but I’d not be surprised if they’ve crafted their own batshit philosophies that justify their imagined superiority. The more dogmatic, rigid, and traditional ideas are reserved for the plebs.
Also, I don’t think that intelligence obviates belief/ego; in fact, I wager it can lead to an even more spurious web of justification, like epstein and the dark enlightenment bros. People are crazy and environmental chaos will amplify it.
coughRomans 3:10-12cough
I’m not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.
Raised Catholic, currently atheist:
That’s not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it’s very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That’s not “say 5 hail mary’s and 3 lord’s prayer and you’re all good”, that’s a run-off effect of the middle-ages “indulgences”, where someone could be “forgiven” their sins for a payment to the church.
Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm
TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don’t do your best to be better.
Ah, I see you’re trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who’s being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?
Not sure how you got that from my comment, or why you decided to be snarky in your reply, but whatever. My statement is that even in their dogma, they’re doing it wrong and if any of it were true, they’d be going to hell regardless.
