The Democrats need to learn that they need someone that doesn’t come off like a “party person” if they want to attract voters. Kamala could have had that, but her refusal to burn Biden for his failures in office while on the campaign trail the last time did a lot of harm to her chances of ever escaping that image to the average swing voter. She is no more electable to the Presidency now than Hillary Clinton.
I’m not saying she should.
But the “I fucking told you so” campaign strategy might actually be somewhat effective for a certain percentage of swing voters.
assuming that fair elections are still a thing at that time i’d say she would be guaranteed the win.
which of course is exactly why they’re bringing this Dem stooge back.
after all it is her turn
I’m not actually convinced that she actually lost the last one, with Musk’s shenanigans and other jerry-rigging all over the electoral college.
But I generally don’t bother dwelling on conspiracy theories. It is what it is, so we’ll see what happens.
Cute that US still think they will have elections after the orange buffoon. November will be very interesting, and maybe an eye opener for the remaining septics: I’ll say it here now, trump is a fascist, a pedophile, a narcissist, and a dictator. He will not leave. He will use putin’s playbook. The rest of the world needs to wake up now and consider the US as an antagonist, same as Russia and China. I would be delighted to be wrong, wait and see I guess.
So another billion dollars spent on a losing campaign?
So far it’s Harris and Newsom. Cool. Cool cool cool.
No, I’m not worried at all. Who said I’m worried?
No. Just no. Other countries cn rise above misogyny, but not us. Dems need to drop this whole “please the right” schtick too. We need someone actually progressive, someone who doesn’t ride the Israeli money train, and alas - is male. Bonus points for not playing the “we need to forgive and forget” card either. It didn’t work, and a lot of these assholes are just regurgitating the South. They lost, but never faced punishment. If we let racism slide, we let them build confidence and organize.
Nope, there is NO evidence we need to be sexist like this.
The issue is that Kamela is not progressive and in the pocket of money & AIPAC.
Dems need to drop this whole “please the right” schtick too
What “please the right”??? Pleasing the right was Trump campaign.
Campaigning with Cheneys, promising full support for a zionist genocide, backing off from universal healthcare and trans rights. Need I go on?
Considering that Trump won, that wasn’t actually pleasing the right wasn’t it?
But dems are free to go full in on these things and fail the second time.
I think it was pleasing enough to right-wing billionaires (sorry for the tautology) - both the campaign itself and the ultimate failure.
Imagine you are so hated you are the runner up to Trump and then not having self realization and needing to get it reiterated to you at the expense of the well being of the entire country.
“I gave away the presidency to Trump, so I’m going to try it again”
That’s rather optimistic, that she assumes there will still be elections in the near future.
Oh for fuck sakes! C’mon lady! Sacrifice! Let a new face do it! There’s 300 million of us. I’m sure someone else can be better than you know who. Go do something else to help democracy. I’d vote Beyonce.
Who would be your alternative?
EDIT: if you say Hillary is your alternative then you’re smoking crack. This is an important question because the Democatic Party is the most likely group to succeed, so who then would you vote for if you had to decide? Geriatric Sanders? Centrist Newsome? Unlikely to be elected AOC? There’s a lot of people who could be candidates, but few who I feel confident could win.
Who would be your alternative?
Bring up a new face. Young 35y old dude with experience in law or administration. Start promoting him now, so he’s well recognized by the time of next presidential elections.
I want the democrats to put forward a good slate of candidates, have them discuss issues in a reasonable and informative way, then have us vote on our favorite. There are people whose jobs are to know who would make a good candidate. Most people, myself included, don’t have enough information to say who should run. I do think that most people can name a few who they don’t want to run and I think Kamala and Hilary are both high on most people’s lists.
Someone saying “please don’t run Kamala” shouldn’t mean they need to offer an alternative. That is the job of the democratic party.
I 100% agree, but in the world we live in it feels like there are no decent alternatives. It feels strange to live in a world where no one seems to be able to think of a good potential candidate and we’re all just waiting for one to be shown to us.
I’ll offer one, then. As a Coloradan, I’d vote for Joe Neguse.
Oh cool, I’ll look into him. We need informed voters to start talking about candidates now rather than in 2027.
It would be great if the media could quit trying to push Newsom down our throats, too. He’s not the absolute worst but I don’t want him as president. How about we quit calling him the “front runner” until we’ve seen who else might want the job?
Pritzker. Relatively progressive. Pro union, pro building up housing, pro worker’s rights, pro higher minimum wage, unrestrained in his support of lgbtq, and yet still Measured and budget conscious, which helps him be more palatable to the big stage.
I think he’s the best possible option that still has a good chance to win.
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll look into him!
I think AOC is highly electable. Good speaker, good positions, attractive, not old. Vs Kamala bad speaker bad positions moderately attractive, not old and Hilary moderate speaker, bad positions, ugly, old. Vs Newsome good speaker, bad positions, attractive, not old. Vs Republican field bad speaker, bad positions, likely ugly or unattractive, racist(positive for their base) likely not old.
I think AOC fires up the left and gets out the vote (most important Democrat quality), the moderate left and centrist independents votes for her over the right, the moderate right stays home (moreso than normal) and the far right goes Republican
Kamala bad speaker
Kamala had a LOT of issues. But her public speaking talent was not one of them.
I hate to say it, but 2008, 2016, and 2024 have left me unconvinced that Americans are ready for even a potential woman President. It’s wrong, it’s prejudiced, but there hasn’t been sufficient evidence that American’s will support a woman for president. Republican’s predominantly seem opposed while Democrats are either unconvinced or insufficiently motivated. I think AOC could win her own state primary, but I’m not convinced she would beat Newsome or any male candidate in the conservative state primaries.
Hilary and Kamala didn’t inspire the left AOC would.AOC could talk circles around Hilary and Kamala.
I think Pete Buttigieg is more likely to win than any of the women, sadly.
We will have an openly gay president before a woman
I was thinking of Marianne Williamson
Not Hilary either. Anyone. The neighbor Lady.
Hillary Clinton
Fuck off Kamala. You failed to trump 2. You’re the biggest and most impactful failure in the history of the usa.
No, that would be Trump. She’s not far behind on the leader board though.
I think both parties should split
Either there will be a socialist president in 2028 or democracy will be dissolved by 2036.
Sure doesn’t feel like a democracy.
People seem to have forgotten the only reason she was the candidate was because Biden dropped out and she was the VP.
She got practically no votes in the primaries.
To be completely fair, Biden dropped out after almost all of the primaries had happened. Harris didn’t get many primary votes because the person she was replacing dropped out after the primaries.
She wouldn’t have won any of the primaries though. Ive reminded my friends irl before that she ran in 2020 and dropped out really early because no one liked her campaign a lot of dem voter in 2024 were under the impression she made it a lot further in 2020 then she did because that was the only way that her campaign to cope with the fact that she wasn’t that well liked and it was the only way that people could be hopeful leading up to the election.
Eh, I don’t think comparing 2020 to 2024 is a fair comparison. In 2020 she was extremely disliked due to her political past and her general demeanor. In 2024 she had had several years out of the lime light and a concentrated effort to improve her image. If, from the get go, Biden had stepped out of the way, and the Democratic political machine had been behind her, I believe she would have had a better chance.
We’re in a bit of the same situation now. Whoever is going to be the next candidate the party kind of needs to coalesce around now. They need to be having pre-primaries, they need to be publicaly building a candidate. If they wait until the primary season they will already be 3 years behind.
Eh I dont see a reason for anything like a pre primary. They just need to choose someone that the working and middle class will like. The issue with the dem party is that they have super votes that allow those with money to get more of a say in who is the dem candidate. That’s a HUGE issue because it leads to these mediocre candidates being chosen that won’t change anything. One of the big reasons why trump won was because the dems kept saying things are ok and that the status quo is fine but the issue is that it’s not. people are not making enough money and the rich keep getting more money. Trump was able to lie and say that he would fix the broken system this led to a lot of people voting for him because he atleast is saying he wants to change the broken system. The dems just need to choose the person that is popular and wants to change things to improve the lives of the people. Literally if someone ran on a plan to give Medicare for all, break of mega corps, and raise taxes on the rich they would easily win because those are very popular ideas across the country. The issue is that the dems won’t choose someone like that because their corporate donors and super voters will choose the boring person.
I agree with the statement about supervotes, but I think if Democrats wait until the primary to find out who is their go to candidate they will lose too much time in leading up to the election. The Democrats need to pick a successor now to begin laying into Trump and his campaign so that when we get to the primary they are already being attacked. Right now the GOP has 2 years to pump Trump or JD while Democrats need to be pumping their candidate.
People that lose to Donald fucking Trump should fuck off forever.
At this point, that’s pretty much all of us
