This cat…
Told me the plan is to setup the USA for a National Emergency™. To skip the mid terms. He also suggested a false flag bombing in NY will happen. Trump is desperate because without his Presidency, he will be jailed.
Then he yakked up a fur ball.
Also to increase oil prices
Mine puked today :(
Cheney very much had a plan. It was G W Bush’s job to play the ass-clown, since admitting to that plan would have been electoral suicide.
“We’ll use 9/11 as an excuse to attack a country that had no connection to 9/11 and that has been killing any Al-Qaida supporters in their own country, in order for us to steer tons of money into contracts for Halliburton to rebuild the oil infrastructure we’ll destroy. And of course the defense contractors will get rich too. And meanwhile the oil price will be higher because Iraq will be offline. And Blair will help us lie about reasons for the war.”
You sound like a crazy 🤪 conspiracy theorist, I bet you’ll tell me about how the ultra elite form secret clubs and eat babies.
If a “conspiracy theory” doesn’t break the laws of nature, according to current scientific consensus, to make sense and only seems extraordinary and outlandish because it goes against universal moral and ethical values accepted by the majority of the Human population, is it fair to dismiss it by calling it a conspiracy theory? 🤔
On the contrary, the plan is to distract us from the Epstein files.
Btw… all of the names released to date? We doing anything about any of them?
Is Brett Ratner going to jail? No? He’s making Rush Hour 4 now?
How about Larry Summer? Woody Allen? Bill Clinton? Anybody??
Nobody will be prosecuted as a result of the Epstein Files. The chain of custody has been irretrievably compromised. Nothing in them can be trusted as evidence in court, and any lawyer can get the evidence tossed, or at least mistrusted enough by the jury to not convict. This is all just salacious gossip.
The better track to prosecution will be the investigations into the money trails. It’s boring, but the evidence is much stronger, and will hold up in court.
I don’t know why you’re down voted. You are 1000 percent correct. No one will ever see a jail cell. Or if they do it will be a scapegoat. Only social justice is going to happen through shame and horrible reputations.
The chain of custody has been irretrievably compromised.
I mean, I don’t think that’s the reason why.
The better track to prosecution will be the investigations into the money trails.
But that also won’t happen, for obvious reasons. Nobody is going to prosecute Jamie fucking Dimon for anything, even though he’s closer to the center of this web than even Epstein himself.
You have to look at the context too. There’s nothing in the released files that implies Clinton did anything illegal. Ratner, that’s another story, and same goes for Wexler. And the correspondence with Larry Summer looked incriminating, too.
There’s nothing in the released files that implies Clinton did anything illegal.
I gotta wonder how you resolve a game of Clue if you’ve got the suspect, the room, and the murder weapon, but you still can’t figure out who done it.
Clinton has been credibly accused of sexual assault on multiple occasions. “I didn’t do the sex crimes on the sex island with the other rapists” is a “I smoked but I didn’t inhale” ass defense.
If you believe it…
I think the plan is “do whatever it takes to remain in power and escape consequences for all of the heinous things that he’s done”. I firmly believe that he couldn’t care less about any real issues, since he has no ability to think critically about them or empathize with the people they affect.
I tend to agree. Nothing seems to touch trump…on top of that there’s no move to prosecute him for anything. He has no fear of prosecution thanks to the captured judicial branch and spineless authorities. So this whole “war to distract from the files” idea really falls flat. War to keep escalating and look for reasons to not step down as president or cancel midterms? Absolutely.
But Epstein…? Probably not even on the radar. His family dgaf, his supporters barely twitched, and trump just keeps going.
Trump is just swinging blindly like those dementia-afflicted old people that are angry and lash out at everything who see conspiracies everywhere. The imagined “The nurse’s aid in the care home stole my socks” is now “The Iranians are threatening my ego” or some other imagined momentary fit of pique.
Yeah honestly I’m gonna go further, holy fuck y’all shut the fuck up about Epstein already! They don’t care! Of course Trump is a pedophile and he should be in jail forever but I cannot imagine there is a single person on the planet who doesn’t already know about the connection. If they’re stupid enough to still be calling it fake news, they’re not gonna care about the 8,000,000th fed thread talking about it!
I should not have to think about this worthless pedo so often. Fuckface died, he’s not the problem anymore, call Trump a pedo and if someone asks why, please explain, but also please please please understand that Iran has absolutely fucking nothing to do with Epstein! Trump needs to manufacture as many emergencies as quickly as possible (without boiling the pot) so he can get away with declaring some sort of state of emergency where he gets to control the election. There may be more to it than that, but that IS the big idea, and it’s what we need to deal with, and it’s what no one seems to be talking about.
If this is a plan to distract from the Epstein files I would consider that a successful plan because what is happening is fucking insane. This distraction would literally be hiding child rapists by killing children.
this needs to be how this is communicated: “Trump starts war to hide child rape”
“Trump kills children to hide trafficking and raping children.”
We can go even shorter “Trump kills children to distract from raping them”.
Next week, they’ll trickle out another bunch of Epstein Files, to distract from whatever atrocities they’re committing in Iran.
We should call it the Epstein war just to prevent this.
Saw this elsewhere on Lemmy
That’s perfect it’s the natural thing to call the war. Hopefully this becomes the mainstream thing to call it.
Exactly, no one said it was a good plan
Fucked Up Beyond All Repair…
From what I understand, the global economy can survive 2 to 3 weeks without Persian Gulf oil supplies and then it’s recession time. All thanks to the MAGA dipshits.
I challenge Lemmy users and everyone else, everywhere else I post, to please, please open up conversation with your maga uncle or neo-liberal parents.
Do not be dumb and try to start an argument, don’t accuse, don’t talk about identity or race or gender or any other issue they’re already distracted with. Just ask if they think this is going to lower their groceries costs, their medical care, ask if they wanted a war with a country they can’t point to on a map (don’t say that) when they supported this administration, and if that’s going to guarantee their social security and investments. Ask if it’s “great again” yet.
Just ask. Just make them work the question and answer out in their head, that’s your ONLY job, just plant the seed of asking how to connect these ideas, it doesn’t even matter if they get mad at you for asking, your job is to make them figure out ways to make this work in their head.
Individually, you can’t usually reach these people, but if enough of us do this all at once, we can start looking at it sociologically, like fluids, like percentages. We can still turn this around broadly, and Trump starting a war his own political-capital base doesn’t want is how we get there so we can actually use this.
Yep, and wars ain’t free.
Take a quick look through these reports from this month alone and then add sooner-than-expected loss of Medicare and Social Security to your arguments.
“Well, Granddad, did you know that the money for all these military actions at home and abroad are depleting your Social Security and Medicare funds far more rapidly than ever before, and that one of the major trusts funding your Social Security is expected to dry up entirely in 2032, only six years from now, because of the way Trump and his Congress is spending your cash?”
I mean, use your own wording, and your strategy of just asking the question is a great, non-threatening way to approach it. But add the detail about how soon the losses are coming now if you can, because this alone might rouse them from their stupor: NOTHING gets the Silent Generation and older Boomers up and onto their walkers faster than threats to SS and Medicare.
Direct link to CBO report on the HI trust fund that backs Medicare:
https://www.cbo.gov/publication/62165
Social Security
February 27, 2026: Social Security faces earlier depletion date, report finds – USA TodayDirect link to the CBO report on the SS trust funds:
https://www.cbo.gov/system/files/2026-02/51309-2026-02-trustfund.pdfI feel strongly that one reason a lot of people don’t bother to actually grab sources, is because somewhere inside we know the reality is even worse than our knowledge.
Anyway, thank you, those are great and I appreciate the support on this message, we really can start the pendulum push the other direction, and this is the fulcrum that gets us there.
I definitely agree with asking questions first. I’ve tried to open by explaining how I see things in an effort to get folks to open up and share how they see them, and people are so used to that being an attempt to tell them to think something different they can kinda shut down and get defensive even just from that
Try to get them talking and engage with them sincerely. If we want to fix the problems we have to do the work to build a bigger coalition
I would like to do this. The problem is that these disagreements have become sensitive issues and addressing these topics seems like asking for trouble.
Simply put, how does one approach this topic without inviting an argument? Pointing out the simple items you’ve presented will surely make them defensive to the point of hostility.
how does one approach this topic without inviting an argument?
My advice is pretty broad and doesn’t regard for the vast, vast spectrum of potential circumstances and potential conversations that arise from our various relationships. So I can’t possibly account for everything. But I am speaking most broadly to situations when you may know someone in an interpersonal level who is open and vocal about their support for this administration and what’s happening right now. Maybe a coworker or family member or friend of a friend.
Just not someone you’re already having open arguments with IE: not someone you will feel emotional or heated talking to.
If you’re already having stressful fights with someone about politics, the chances of reaching them with questioning radically diminishes and sometimes you gotta cut your losses and move on if you can’t make headway. This is particularly painful when it’s family members, but I wouldn’t torture myself to change people just because we share DNA configurations.
I also encourage this approach of questioning only if you’re actually comfortable with some mild confrontation, because it WILL invite argument. It’s entirely in your court if you let it become a 2-sided argument, otherwise, again the idea is to JUST plant a question. They can rant and rave and throw things for two hours after you ask the question, you’re not involved anymore. You can leave. You can put your headphones on and close the door. Let them rage at themselves for being questioned.
If this is the pattern you expect, then just work in that system. Question, let them rant and rave, and move on. Make your EVERY interaction a calm, collected and pointed question about what’s happening and how they feel about it. Then let it sit there. You’re not trying to argue or you’re going to get distracted. They are very good at distracting you by saying things you’re going to feel outrage at with whataboutism, distractions and untruths, . People are very good at pushing other people’s buttons: you’re trying to do this, but in a different way. They’re trying to make you mad so they have an excuse to blow up on you. You just want them to associate this topic (politics) with your question (Is it working? Are things great yet? Can you afford healthcare and groceries yet?"). You’re not even a factor personally, you’re just the messenger for the question.
We all need to understand that with conservatism broadly, we’re never, ever going to win an argument. Ever.
Arguments are intellectual exercises where to sides make a case to each other, two sides exchange facts and perspectives and counterpoints. Conservatives do not care about this broadly, they don’t care about anything past how they feel right now, and what they want right now. They are children. And like children, they can only be trained over time with repeated reinforcement and associative teaching. Reward them when they say something good, give them compliments to engage them and take their guards down (they REALLY want your acceptance but will never admit it) and then pivot and attack the one, single idea they can handle at a time, (again, how are things better for them, how is their life better, etc.) and don’t get distracted.
What all this does is it creates imaginary arguments in their head. They will have shower-arguments with you in their heads all the time, trying to figure out what they can say to you to prove they’re right… and they’re really, really bad at your game, so they will come to you with some jackass dumbassery and you will calmly look them in the eye and ask the previous question again, forcing them to start over. Do this enough and you will train them to question their own ideas.
Do not be dumb and try to start an argument, don’t accuse, don’t talk about identity or race or gender or any other issue they’re already distracted with.
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“Whatever you do, don’t mention the G word. You’ll just hand Trump more supporters.”
~ Average American Liberal
Yo! Isn’t he the peace president?
I am piss
Everything this asshole says is a lie
They didn’t gave him the Nobel peace price, so he’s allowed to start a war against anyone he wants
Only when he’s wearing the FIFA Peace medal
That thing doesn’t mean what it used to.
It’s the first ever IIRC.
Isn’t that the joke?
Certainly
Thank you for engaging with this content.
You’re welcome.
It always meant manchild.
Not “peace”, it’s “piece”. As in the piece of shit president
Yeah, people in pieces
FIFA peace committee in shambles. Crying into wads of money.
He’s so peaceful, he’s definitely getting the Nobel AND getting into heaven now guys
And these dumb motherfuckes just do it. They just follow the pedophile
They do what they’re told or they get fired and replaced with those who will.
Incidentally, last year the U.S. Army Made Four Tech Executives Lieutenant Colonels
Let that sink in
At this point the US president exists to take the blame for the will of Israel
🎶 I’ve been through the desert
with a man with no planLa, la, la, la, la, la 🎶
This is going to spiral out of control. The whole Middle East is going to suffer from this. How is Russia going to react? What are the domestic repercussions going to be during an election year?
No love for the Ayatollah’s regime but this is a disaster. This admin has such limited forethought they will make the Bush admin look like geniuses in retrospect
Definitely. From what I’ve read, the CIA and military brass advised against this move because someone more aligned with the IRGC could be installed. Who knows what that will look like, but the Khamenei government was offering to honor the 2015 nuclear agreement. Next regime probably won’t be so cooperative.
Also wondering how this will change the plans and behavior of other big global players like China and India in the longer term. Preamble to WW3 or just a new era of heightened millitarism worldwide?
Especially with China. From what I’ve seen, they have advanced weaponry that rivals the USA/Israel along with a security agreement with Iran. Could be the beginnings of a new proxy war in the middle east. IRGC aligned proxy groups will also ramp up attacks in the region. No bueno all the way around.
Anyone checked on Taiwan?
How is Russia going to react?
Long term, no idea. But Putin thrives on creating chaos, and much of his international strategy involves taking stable democracies and doing everything in his power to destabilize them. Just today a report came out in regard to likely Russian interference in Denmark’s upcoming elections, but check out the sub-header:
US threats to seize Greenland have created ‘new international fault lines’ that can be used to spread disinformation, Danish intelligence agencies say
Putin did it in the UK with Brexit, he’s done it (and is still doing it) here in the US, and now he’s taking it further. Don’t think for two seconds that Putin is threatened by this at all.
I guess Ukraine won’t have to worry about as many Shaheds going their way?
Weren’t they being produced in Russia now?
I don’t honestly know.
This admin has such limited forethought they will make the Bush admin look like geniuses in retrospect
Speaking of which . . . (for the younger ones among us who might not remember what a shitshow it was)
It is out of control. But Russia seems occupied with occupying elsewhere, what could their reaction still be?
Well as far as concrete actions I’m not sure what they will do. But I do know Russia is certainly a big fan of taking advantage of chaos, and this strike works in Russia’s favor by helping delegitimize international order and rule of law even more, because the US (and Israel) acting unilateraly, illegally, and hypocritically weakens their ability to meaningfully call out Russia for similar behaviors later on.
Even if they are tied up now in Ukraine this makes it easier for them to act with less constraint when they see fit (yes I know, they have been acting without constraint already but they can always get worse)
All the average American cares about is, yay war. This could precipitate a red wave.
Like the holy, esteemed FIFA Peace Price means nothing!!
I just can’t even
If you are in the US or Israeli military, you are a baby killing piece of shit, and you should be shunned by your neighbors. Fuck veterans. Take their rights.
Idk I knew an Israeli in the military who literally just played an instrument in the band.
I guess its more noble to go to prison, but literally some folks in IDF are not murdering babies nor helping.
If you clean floors in the military you are literally a member of the baby killers. People have choices. I guess it’s just more convenient to kill babies and pretend they’re innocent. Running their mouth about freedom or some nonsense.
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So you would argue the only ethical choice is to go to prison?
It’s not an argument. It’s just fucking true. What kind of question is this? Do you think going to prison is some kind of moral misdeed in and of itself?
Yes, going to prison because you don’t want to partake in murder and mutilation is more ethical than murdering and mutilating innocent people.
Sure, or go see a psychiatrist and tell them you’re suicidal, or go dig up whatever other excuse you can find to go teach at some rural middle school instead of greasing the wheels of the murder machine. They have more than enough rabid racists to fill the front lines already; every waffling centrist opposition voter begrudgingly driving supply trucks is still doing exactly the job the fascist government wants them to.
Why would they go to prison?
Israel has forced conscription. If you refuse to go to the military (iirc when you turn 18), they throw you in prison
I think they should go to prison, or defect, or flee, or anything but kill people in the name of a fucking government.
How long before he starts talking about a Draft? Because that’s DEFINITELY coming, but probably not until after the Midterms.
As is American tradition.
