So when, and i do mean when, this results in a crash, who will be held responsible?
Biden
Hillary with her butterymales?
Well we have already had deaths due to the current crunch (and not paying them) of us air traffic controllers.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/laguardia-collision-air-traffic-control-ntsb-9.7140479
And who was blamed for those? Oh yeah the traffic controllers! So when grok starts seeing how many 737s can fit in the same physical space, it will be the controllers fault. As you can imagine this will make those controllers want to quit, meaning more pressure to use shit like AI tools.
Liberals.
Fortunately the world is going to run out of aviation fluid next week so we won’t have to find out.
If it’s the ATC then it’s their fault, if it’s AI then it’s no one’s.
Obviously it’s the DEI
The remaining humans in ATC for “not having supervised the AI agents appropriately”, of course!
My mistake, you’re absolutely right – I neglected to ensure the runway was clear before scheduling that landing. Please accept my apologies for causing those deaths. I’m really glad to be working with you, it’s reassuring that you’ll always keep me honest. You’re not just an assistant traffic controller – you’re a friend.
HAL-9000 if it was made today
Now I need to write a parody of HAL’s monologue in LLMspeak
Well, at least the AI seemed sincere in their apology.
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I watched the lord of the ring movies this weekend for the first time. Extended versions with my friends.
Wtf is wrong with people who name their company, possibly their life’s work, after the evil eye of the big bad evil guy?
“Are we the baddies?”
Technically, the Palantiri weren’t the evil eye of the Sauron. Sauron and Saruman did use them (and that’s why you see Sauron’s eye in one of them), but the stones themselves were basically just communication and surveillance devices. They were, themselves, fairly neutral and not made by anyone especially evil (probably Feanor - flawed but not evil). But they were used for evil purposes during the time in the LOTR trilogy.
The palantiri themselves aren’t inherently evil; Sauron was just a master of deception and used them as propaganda devices
You think batman having a hidden lair as literally the tallest building around is unrealistic until you see what modern corporations are like
That’s because this news site is owned by a multinational company, which owns several other publications. They sell advertising and not reform
No they didn’t.
Later, a person familiar with the matter told Bloomberg the Federal Aviation Administration had brought on Palantir, Thales SA, and Air Space Intelligence to compete for the SMART contract. Palantir then released a statement to investors confirming the company was contracted by the FAA to “provide a data analytics tool that will help advance the agency’s modernization objectives for aviation safety.”
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Where do you get the impression they’ve won the contract? They have another sole source contract with the FAA, but for SMART are still one of three in the running unless there is some source out there I’m missing.
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Those are two separate things, though I can see the confusion. This might help: https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/palantir-faa-win-manifesto-reframe-200302412.html
Ah, I see now. Thanks for clearing this up and for the link.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
We use AI to reduce their workload. <---- We are here
We don’t need as many air traffic controllers.
We sack more air traffic controllers.
We don’t have enough air traffic controllers.
What I’m hearing is, they will literally risk people dying on planes just to train AI AND would rather do that than hire/employ actual staff that will do the work. Somehow, paying their staff a liveable wage and treating them like a human being just doesn’t bode well enough for the rich people making these decisions.
This is fucking insane. I bet you that none of the places with private jets flying all these asshole c-suite execs are using AI. It’s only being forced on the public because the idiots bought into the hype and don’t know how else to make money out of it.
I wonder how many plane crashes it’ll take before this changes.
If at all.
Look at how quick we got used to school shootings and climate change and death-squad healthcare and a bunch of other awfulnesses.
We are very good at taking abuse and carrying on with it.
Aircraft accidents discourage tourism, though. Dead children is one thing, but this could affect people’s bottom line.
Tourism has been discouraged for a while, yet nothing is changing
That’s true.
All it will take is one billionaire hitting another plane.
Maybe it will happen to air force one too?
Maybe we can hire Luigi as the pilot for billionaires?
Have him fly it into Trump tower
Actually no them too. Peter Theil is shockingly stupid and crazy. He believes it’ll work and if it doesn’t he’s so special nothing bad can happen to him
That would be one of the biggest ironies in history if Peter Theil ends up dying because the AI ATC he championed crashed him into some other evil exec. I’m thinking maybe Elon Musk.
Sweet Home Alabama intensifies
…nothing bad can happen to him
Honest question: When was the last time something bad actually happened to these people?
That submarine imploded under the unbearable weight of a billionaire’s hubris. The world got ever so slightly better that day.
Is there a way to convince more billionaires that 3rd-rate carbon fiber is a great building material for compression-loaded pressure vessels?
Epstein if he’s even dead. Dead insurance exec #1 that made luigi a verb.
epstein still continues to haunt gop/trump and other world leaders from beyond the grave. the fact that ghislaine hasnt been offed yet is because getting rid of her will just increase scrutiny on the epstein files.
You have reading to do. Did you see the 9/11 shadow commission email? Know anything about Maxwell’s dad, had a real interesting funeral and life. Or her sister and what those companies do? Did you see the map of greater Israel in Epstein’s house? Framed 9/11 news paper? Rothschild couple emailing about hunting humans?
That’s just big ticket shit.
There’s a picture of Jeffrey in an ambulance with a heart monitor live and in tachycardia recently and bank accounts that’s movement has not been explained.
Oh the safe, that’s a huge one. The FBI busted open and packed the contents into two suitcases which sat in Epstein’s house then were moved to his account’s house then sat there a few days then makes it’s way back to the FBI with a box of CDs now explained as not properly logged.
Also Mossad’s surveillance on Epstein’s homes and Epstein’s body guard training at the CIA who Epstein sued because…
That’s just off the top of my head in under 5min. Go read. Or watch don’t look up
Maxwell is Mossad, Israel is going to annex Lebanon and Jeffrey was CIA (cries but the CIA can’t operate on US soil) to which I say, ever heard of the franklin incident? Ghislaine is a queen awaiting pardon.
Its simpler than that. They are prioritizing the “economy” over anything else, which leads to this type of decision making. The shortage is fixed for less money than if they hired more people, the money goes to AI companies propping them up further, and the “stock market” continues to climb.
Its an entirely flawed way of thinking and living and that’s what needs to change. Right now the largest impact on changing this is simply older generations dieing off, as many are too old to change their entire moral system.
Let’s say the error rate is 0.1%. Pretty low, right. But that’s one mistake per thousand flights. Are they really okay with one plane out of a thousand potentially crashing? There are certain industries and jobs where AI simply cannot and should not be used.
Each day, about 100-120 people die in car crashes in America.
Over 45,000 planes fly in America every day, and over 5000 are in the air at any given moment. With a crash rate of 1 out of a thousand, we’d be having multiple plane crashes, with thousands of people killed, every day. One plane crash could easily match or surpass that daily car crash number, and we’d be having multiple plane crashes per day.
1 out of a thousand? I’d never fly again. NOBODY would ever fly again.
The worst part would be that it doesn’t matter if you fly or not - as long as a plane can fly above you, you’re at risk. None of us are safe.
Normally, I would scoff at being worried about airborne debris, but if 1 out of 1000 were crashing, and there were 45k flights a day, that’s enough crashes to worry about.
The vast majority of those crashes would be around airports, though, so just keep away from the airports, and your chance of being clobbered by a black box goes down significantly.
It’s almost comical to think about major airports having a half dozen crashes a day. At least the AI won’t have any trouble sleeping at night.
Sarcasm:
But think of the insurance people! Look at how many insurances are waiting to be denied and robbed!
More importantly, we can justify every other profit increase, because our economies are built on literal exploitation just as they did a couple hundred years prior!
Modern exploiting problems require modern idol solutions.
Sadly there is part of the population that will view that as a valid argument. Faux News, news max, OAN and all the conservative talk radio will feed it to them
Even further: the biggest problem with AI and thus the biggest decider on its suitability or not for something is that its distribution of failure in terms of consequence is uniform rather than it being more likely to err in ways with few or less grevious consequences than in ways with more or worse consequences.
In other words, unlike humans who activelly try and avoid making the nastiest and deadly mistakes, when AI fails, it can fail just as easilly in the most horrible and deadly ways as it can in the most minor of ways.
That’s why you have lots of instances of LLMs giving what for humans are obviously dangerous advice like telling people to put glue on pizza to make it look good or those with suicidal thoughts to kill themselves - unlike humans AI has no mechanism to detect “obviously dangerous” on an output it’s about to produce and generate a different output instead.
This is why using AI to generate fluff filling for e-mails is fine but it’s not fine in systems were errors can easilly cost lives.
Oh man! Pilot here.
And we thought Reagan fucked up!
It’s still appropriate to blame Reagan, funnily enough.
Yeah, he’s got a lot to answer for in Hell.
I wish I believed in that stuff. It would so satisfying to know that those dipshits are suffering, but they aren’t.
We can’t count on these jackals getting punished in the next life, we have to take care of it ourselves. Make them think Hell will be a vacation.
Oh, he definitely did. But you can never underestimate the power of ANY politician to fuck things up WORSE.
It’s kind of their superpower.
Hi. I dont know shit about flying or the demands of personnel in a control tower (especially at a place like atl). I’m also fairly anti-AI for various reasons. But it seems to me, from ground level and with a view of the trees, that AI would be better at juggling all of the data and variables of planes in the sky, compared to a moron like me. Given that you’re a pilot, can you help me understand why that’s not the case?
There’s an IMMENSE amount of human interaction in air traffic control. The thing AI is the absolute worst at.
The only real way it could work is if everything was turned over to computers. And we’re not there yet.
Do you actually use AI? Even the most advanced models constantly make mistakes. And not small ones either
These AIs are language models, they are not good at making decisions that require live context or a memory longer than 5 minutes.
AI doesn’t juggle data and variables very well, add the fact you have been lied to about what AI does to your list of reasons.
Yeah I could imagine well made traffic management software could be a real positive. But we all know AI shits the bed sometimes, it should always be overseen by human controllers.
LOL. Fuck that. I’m not flying.
Forget flying, you’ll be getting Donnie Darkoed in your bedroom.
when you have the pilot and microslop copilot:
for entertainment purposes only
People just straight up believe AI is magic.
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Yet another reason not to go to the USA.
Prompt unclear, plane stuck in skyscraper.
“you’re absolutely right! I have revised my response, here are some better instructions…”
Revisions unclear… A second plane has struck a skyscaper.
Next revision lead to invading Antarctica to hold them responsible for the attack on US.
Oh wait, this already basically happened with tariffs:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/fact-check-trumps-tariffs-still-100000498.html
I tried to use AI to install a reverse osmosis water system yesterday, I asked it to look at manual for hose colors to match them, I figured it would save me a few mins.
After an hour of it not working and trying all sorts of nonsense I looked in manual to have it show me it had given me all the wrong information to a simple task.
I can’t wait to have people’s lives reliant on this technology.
AI is a pretty big catch-all term. If they mean specially designed and trained deep learning neural nets, maaaaybe it’ll be okay. If they mean typical LLMs we’re straight up fucked.
Exactly. With a broad enough term those computerized screens showing the position of all the planes is “AI”.
I watch an art restorer out of Chicago on youtube, and he’s developing his own AI to help restorers. He says it’s a closed system. Is that something that could work? I’ve been wondering about that since he announced. (Baumgartner, if you’re interested).
I just saw an ad for using ChatGPT to “come up with new recipes and baking ideas”
Yeah I’m sure having a bunch of people decide to eat whatever a hallucinating AI comes up with isn’t going to be dangerous at all…
I’ll look it up and try to find it. But I’m pretty sure there’s a YouTube video where they actually did ask Chat GPT to come up with new recipes and baking ideas and then they tried to make them to the results you would expect.
Edit: ok, so it looks like there are a whole lot of YouTubers making AI recipes to the expected results. So Google away.
We just need one rich asshole in a private jet to crash due to ATC failure for them to care.
