The old pope died of cringe when he met Vance so I’d consider this a threat.
Yeah Leo is 18 years younger than Franky was when Vance visited. He’ll probably be fine.
Oh yes, world renowned theologian James David Vance foremost expert on theol…wait theology is when you fuck couches right?
i thought his name was jance dance vance
What’s wrong Jance Dance? You barely janked the jouch?
from now on, it is 🤣
Don’t you think he got enough of that in high school
Eta: I love that only a small number of people got the original reference or response
That isn’t his birth name, it’s his third name so far.
James Donald Bowman just doesn’t sing like James David Vance
No.
He didn’t change his name to Vance until after high school, so probably not.
Just Dance* Vance, actually
I wish he would just dance and keep his mouth shut.
Last Chance to Jance Dance (Perhaps)
*Bowman.
Isn’t the Pope supposed to be the guy for Catholics, appointed to directly hear God’s voice on Earth, and spread it to the masses? And if that’s the case, aren’t all these faux-Christians disagreeing with him - like Vance - disagreeing with the very God they purport to worship?
Catholics can disagree with the pope on secular matters, the problem here is that the pope is quoting the catechism almost verbatim, and convert-boy is throwing a tantrum because he joined the church based on aesthetics and not any kind of conviction.
A bunch of Protestants think the Pope is the Antichrist, but apparently Vance identifies as Catholic, so yeah, he’s defying God. Catholic doctrine also holds that the Pope is infallible when ruling on theology.
The latter is not universal. Several popes have explicitly stated that they are indeed fallible (which would render total infallibility self-contradictory). Also, infallibility is generally limited in certain ways that I won’t bother researching in enough depth to put into a concise description. But the pope can’t just make up some random shit and have it automatically considered to be the word of God.
Of course, pointing out that someone violates the basic tenets of Catholicism while naming those specific tenets is well within “the pope is right” territory.
Pretty sure the infallibility part is only when he speaks “ex cathedra” which is a pretty narrow and specific time, but I’m not a Catholic.
A quick Google says the last time that was done was in 1950.
And that’s why francis had to clarify that he wasn’t speaking infallibly when he said he hoped hell was empty
I appreciate the nuanced info. It’s pretty tough to find when discussing religion on platforms like this. It helps logical people trapped by corrupted religious beliefs realize that its okay, even encouraged, to keep their core beliefs intact while still being able to condemn those within their religion that work to corrupt the church.
If all you see is church/religion bad, then they’ll just dismiss you and move on. And the corrupt version of Christianity or Islam or Judaism or what have you will continue growing
The man converted to catholicism then within a few years was beefing with two popes in a row on basic catholicism.
That is what we in the business call a poser.
It just popped into my head that Vance’s tie should have poser in block letters going from top to bottom and trump should have loser on his.
Wonder if this could be a browser extension
😂
The American Catholic leadership are hardcore conservative, with a few exceptions, and working at cross purposes with Christ’s mission on earth.
In my experience American catholics in general tend to be the ones who vote hard right, while saying “I think politics is tearing us apart” and “oh, I don’t discuss politics” “I’m not racist, but…”. They want the same thing the far righ wants they just don’t want to get their hands dirty.
Literally any Catholic who criticizes the Pope is a hypocrite because the Pope is meant to be God’s representative/mouthpiece on Earth.
The pope doesn’t claim infallability on everything, only specific statements ex cathedra.
Meant by who? The pope?
According to doctrine.
Where did doctrine that come from? I’m not sure where you’re getting it. Kinda sounds made the fuck up
You can absolutely criticize the pope as a Catholic. What you can’t do is attempt to supercede him on matters of faith
Which, you know, we’ve got people doing that already, no need to make shit up
It’s not a church to these people. It’s a country club.
Did they forget to give him the brochure when he converted to Catholicism?
Right? Is he not treading excommunication territory with this shit?
Lay Catholics aren’t supposed to challenge the Pope like that. Even Cardinals wouldn’t get away with saying something so obnoxious.
JD literally woke up one morning and decided to debate theology with the fucking Vicar of Christ.
INNNNN THIS CORNER, wearing all white and a skull cap, he’s the Vicar of Christ, the Bishop of Rome, the SUCCESSOR to the Price of the Apostles, iiiiiiiIIIITS POPE LEO THE FOURTEENTH!!
And in THIS CORNER, wearing a tailored suit and red tie, Couch fucker, white trash cosplayer and world’s worst negotiator, John Dilbert Vaaaaaaance!
LMAO - also is his name really John Dilbert?
Had to look it up myself
James David Vance (born James Donald Bowman
Looks like he had him a gender-affirming name change.
This would be fantastic. We can even honor Leo’s Chicago roots by playing Alan Parsons Project during his intro.
Pretty sure they would ring him up as the Undefeated Champion, The one, The only, Pope Killing, Couching Fucking Monster Jack Daniels… (What that’s not what it means?)…John Dilbert
I can respect debate but that’s not what happened here. This is a blasphemous tantrum. “I’m not wrong, God is.”
You don’t get to join a cult then bitch you aren’t in charge.
Sometimes I think that if there was an anti-Christ, they wouldn’t be aware that they were the anti-Christ. If that’s the case, JD Vance would be the perfect candidate.
I think it’s a plan to keep their names mentioned in media, free advertising of sorts…
Maybe you don’t want to tie your name to this news cycle
The utter fucking nerve of these assholes.
I’m not even a christian anymore, Catholic or otherwise. In fact I’ve long since gone full on athiest.
But even I’M offended by this new level of horseshit by the Trump clown-show.
Right? I really dislike the catholic church and am an atheist myself, but these morons make the pope look like a reasonable statesman by comparison.
Curious how the framing makes something unreasonable become reasonable. Moving the conversation towards the unreasonable.
It doesn’t really; it’s hyperbole by comparison. The distance from my home to the moon is vast and unwalkable, but if you compared it to the distance between the earth and the center of the galaxy, someone might say it looks like a short walk in comparison.
It obviously still is not possible, but it’s a way to stress how big the comparison is.
I think it would still apply to your scenario in the sense that if the public was genuinly talking about galactical travel, then traveling to the moon would seem like small potatoes in comparison.
However, there are better examples to get the message accross.
The message is:
framing makes something unreasonable become reasonable
Concider the following:
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The war on drugs caused mass incarceration of blacks and hippies. The term makes us think that the mass incarceration is justified.
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Pro life is a term used by conservatives who are against abortions causing the birth of unwanted children. Pro life makes us think that the birth of unwanted children is a matter of saving lives.
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Reducing footprint is a campaign by exxon mobile to focus on pollution from consumers instead of producers. Fossil fuel companies gains more free passes, making the unreasonable pass more often.
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Framing critics of Knesset regime as antisemites makes us dismiss the content of their criticism, making the unreasonable Knesset become reasonable.
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By framing billionaires as intelligent, hard working and jobs creator, we make confiscation of societal goods sound reasonable.
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I am with you. I don’t believe in what the Pope stands for but also recognize that he is not only the head of state of a foreign government, but the mouthpiece of a significant part of human tradition. This really is like the “fake news” arguments from Trump’s first campaign, i.e., “I don’t agree with what they say so I will attack them personally.”
Theology might just be overly-specific literary study, but I can at least acknowledge when someone is a world-class expert on it.
Look, they already decided they knew science better than scientists, they knew war better than military generals, they knew economy better than economists.
Why did aynone think they would stop at theology?
Fake it till you make it.
Narrator: They did not make it
The Vatican should be taking threat very seriously. He did kill the last Pope
When Vance tells a Pope to be careful, that Pope should be careful. You know, considering Vance’s established track record with Popes…
Wait what did I miss
The day (or the day after, can’t remember) he visited the previous pope, the pope died.
Died of cringe
Queen Elizabeth was immortal right? Everyone knows that. But when Lizz Truss became prime minister, the queen was like “oh blimey, I believe it best that I take my departure from this unfortunate circumstance forthwith” which is translated to peasant English “screw this shit I’m outta here”. JD Vance is like a toddler Truss so if I were the pope, I’d kill myself too. I mean, you believe in God and an after life, you are the person standing between your imaginary world and reality for whoever believes in that shit. But after meeting this bozo you can’t believe in a god anymore, all hope is lost, fuck this world, it has no future. “Hoc nihil est; abeo.”
Riiiiggghht, “cringe.” That’s what it was…
He killed the last one lmao
Vance had a visit with the last pope at the Vatican, right before he died. At the time, Francis was trying to get him to acknowledge biblical teachings to love your neighbour (and I think that ICE was the antithesis of this), and not the vaguely dystopian stuff Vance was pushing about only only offering respect/kindness/compassion to the people closest to you.
Its quite poetic actually. The popes last action was to make one of the most evil men alive turn away from evil. And then the pope dies the next day.
I mean, … it’s not like he was successful.
He was quite successful with his dying. He did it on the first try, unlike his boss.
Very true, failed to turn Vance away from evil though.
If you’re not a Catholic, you might not understand how fucked up it is for Vance to stand there and call the Pope wrong about theology.
By definition, the Pope is right about religion. If he changes his mind tomorrow, he was right then and he is right now.
The equivalent would be if I became a Buddhist and then told the current Dalai Lama he was doing it wrong. Or maybe if I became a Hindu and then insisted that, actually, cheeseburgers are fuckin’ awesome.
No joke, Vance is like two more dumbass statements away from being excommunicated.
Arguably, there would be decent historic precedent for excommunicating Vance RIGHT NOW.
I was shocked this didn’t happen.
two too many
I’ve killed a pope before and I’ll do it again! - J.D ‘Couch Fucker’ Vance
yikes. Said by a converted catholic.
Right! Get a hold of the new guy, here! 🤣
It’s always the converts lmao
It’s really the audacity that gets you. Also he talked shit about Francis too. He converted in 2019 and has second guessed 100% of the popes after his supposed conversion. Also with issue that are not even controversial. ‘War bad’ isn’t some radical catholic or even christian position.
Hell, his beef with Francis is even dumber. “Be good to refugees” is one of the most basic and consistent expectations placed on Christians. Jesus said to do it without room for interpretation, as does the old testament
Catholics have the worst converts lol, they expect it to be a more aesthetic protestantism witn extra ritual, but then are shocked when they’re expected to listen to the magesterium and engage with theology in an educated manner without playing protestant calvinball, especially if they’re going to disagree with the magesterium
What’s he gonna do? Fuck the popes couch?
