I mean, it’s been a lot of work lately because I’m learning a new OS and mucking about with shuffling some data around on a couple different drives, but for the last 5 years or so, the “work” involved in keeping my desktop running was mainly plugging it in again after moving to a new apartment.
I hate using a phone. It’s small, the screen is tiny, the keyboard sucks (all touchscreen keyboards suck), you can’t have more than one thing in the tiny screen at a time (yes split screen exists and Android has freeform windows, but they suck even more).
A desktop is a breeze to use. It feels liberating to use after being on a phone.
So how fast do you type on your phone? Because I can barely get 50 words per minute and even then my accuracy suffers… So that’s a third of the speed of a proper keyboard and way more typos.
Why would I pay for a tablet and a keyboard to get a second super limited device as opposed to having a proper computer that can do anything I want it to?
Try programming on a tablet, or playing any graphics heavy games, or really anything more than simple text editing or media consumption. It’s a shit experience.
Of course if your idea of PC ownership includes an anti-virus subscription, you should indeed limit yourself to devices that limit what you can do with them, as I have suspicions about your tech literacy.
Lmao. Buddy if you want to use a phone as a computer, no worries. But fuck all the way off with the idea that using a PC is difficult or less efficient than a phone. Get a grip on reality.
“Babysitting a PC” you sound like you’re tech illiterate.
I could do a lot of things I do on the daily on my phone. But it would be more finicky and annoying. I have automated pretty much all regular maintenance my PC needs long ago. I just don’t see what I’d get, except for more janck.
I program on pc. Programming on phone is pretty terrible, I have spent a decent amount of time doing this and you kinda need to accept that a lot of regular dev programs on termux don’t work. And you also have to accept using the terminal for everything
Being able to program with a mouse is pretty convinient for things like debugging
Fair. But you also conceded that you can do it on a phone, just not as efficiently.
My comment specified “outside work.”
I think a lot of people downvoting and defending their PCs so . . . vociferously are just old and set in their ways. Not everyone is a programmer/coder.
First of all, I couldn’t find where you specified “outside work”, so maybe you imagined it and accidentally believed you did.
Second of all, phones can be efficient at some tasks, but PCs can be for others. Phones aren’t always the most efficient thing ever at every task. Programming for example is much more streamlined on desktop, since you can simply install an IDE, program what you need and test it pretty easily unless you’re really shit at coding. On mobile, it’s different, on iOS you’d be hard pressed to find an IDE at all that isn’t some completely unheard of one with at most 3 stars if people actually used it, or 5 stars from the creator of it. On android it’s a little better, although I genuinely haven’t heard of official or even recommended options for IDEs either.
Thirdly, people aren’t downvoting out of elitism, it’s out of logic, PCs are amazing at most things, maybe apart from endless short form video scrolling. Phones are just portable PCs built to be more energy efficient, do mostly the same tasks, but also lack most of the input methods apart from a digitiser, and a miniaturised display. None are bad, and frankly I’m typing this on an iPad right now, but that’s because I’m away from my desk and just wanna do some simple browsing. On my laptops I can genuinely do what I’d like that isn’t just browsing, I can have a game open that’s not compatible with iPadOS or android, and even within browsing, I can have 30 or more YouTube or other tabs open without the browser grinding to a halt, which I can’t say the same for safari on the iPad or chromium on my android phones.
People aren’t “just old and set in their ways” because they like the tactility, openness and forms of ease of use PCs bring. Sure, your workflow may have never touched PCs at all currently, but other people have different workflows. Other people aren’t stupid for not being you.
You know, I’m not sure if you’ve ever actually used a desktop computer before, but they have this incredible new feature that lets you have multiple windows open at the same time. You do you, though, my incredibly fucking stupid booboo.
You know, I’m not sure if you’ve ever actually used a mobile device before, but they have this incredible new feature that lets you have multiple windows open at the same time. You do you, though, my incredibly fucking stupid old booboo.
Yeah, I’ve used it. Even with the tiniest font size, you can barely see enough to get anything done with it. But going off of your posts, you don’t have any actual work to do so it makes sense that you’d think the two are comparable.
Ugh sounds like my nightmare. I try to keep the phone away and only use desktops or laptops. I just use the phone for calls, texts, photos when I don’t have a better camera, Lemmy/rss and some light web browsing.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
Can you elaborate more on that?
In my experience unless you set up a complicated NAS or home server setup maintaining a personal computer doesn’t require much upkeep. I prefer it over a phone because of the physical keyboard and superior window / tab / organization options.
Those are things you hardly ever worry about or whose existence you completely forget about when you ditch a PC.
Your computer is an annoying child you never parented.
Wanna boot it up? Better wait for a minute or two. Oh! Now it needs an update because something went wrong last night when it was supposed to automatically do it.
Oops! Lost internet connection. Better go pecking around menus.
Shit. It’s acting up still. Your game you’re trying to play is losing frames. Something to do with heat management. Something about a graphics card? Who frigging knows, better ask the internet from a phone.
P.S. Your antivirus is out of date and you need money to renew your subscription. The process will take another few hours of your time because you have to babysit it past all the AI that’s sure to get in the way.
Bah! Humbug!
EDIT: The angry PC people typing aggressive insults using their phones proves the point and is quite funny.
It sounds like you’ve been burned by a poor PC experience. Your problems are legitimate though they should be rare, which is why your sweeping characterization of the PC experience is being downvoted.
I am much more interested in your mobile workflow! What apps do you use? Do you use workarounds for something PC users wouldn’t think about? Do you use accessories like a keyboard/mouse/monitor?
I have a tablet with a keyboard for writing. I have a phone that is synchronized to all files across both devices.
I don’t need a monitor because the tablet has a kickstand.
I don’t need a mouse because I can touch the screen. I could if I wanted to so there is a (now long-uncharged) wireless mouse in a drawer somewhere.
It’s convenient and I can simply walk up, touch the screen or keyboard and be typing away in about 5 seconds without fail.
The phone is even more convenient because it’s in my pocket.
I have zero worries about driver issues, subscriptions for anti-virus running out and the other things I’ve listed in my original comment that seem to have pissed off all the PC people.
One caveat I’m sure the angry old people will miss (on purpose?): For work- or academic-related items a PC or laptop is a better workflow than the mobile devices. If or when I next need that I’ll probably get a cheap laptop and then ditch it afterwards.
I don’t think I’ve mischaracterized the PC experience but it’s been about a decade since I ditched the technology. Do those PC-specific annoyances no longer exist?
Convenience trumps all the annoyances I associate with PCs. That includes installing: Ubuntu, Linux, alternate file applications such as OpenOffice, etc. I really can’t be bothered. I’m actually surprised (and humored) at how viciously the PC people have come out to scream at the clouds.
I wonder if this is how old people saw my generation when we ditched the typewriter for a computer?
If you made it here, I just wanna say thanks for a rational response. I know it’s hard having someone go against the grain online.
I don’t think I’ve mischaracterized the PC experience but it’s been about a decade since I ditched the technology. Do those PC-specific annoyances no longer exist?
I think everyones experience is equally as valid. For your use case and needs a tablet+keyboard works perfectly fine.
I do think a lot of the PC annoyances you mentioned have improved drastically over the past decade. For example: I hear that back in the day getting a printer to work was stressful. Now (for me) it just works out of the box both on MacOS and Linux. Only Windows for work still has some driver problems in my case.
But the windows experience has probably become even worse since your last time on a PC anyway. I can‘t fathom why anyone would stick with Windows unless it is some very specific application or video game that doesn‘t work on other platforms.
It’s me. Outside work, I dumped PCs a decade back and have lived a much better digital life.
I seriously get annoyed at the amount of work it takes to keep a PC running.
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I mainly just turn mine on. Not a lot of work.
I mean, it’s been a lot of work lately because I’m learning a new OS and mucking about with shuffling some data around on a couple different drives, but for the last 5 years or so, the “work” involved in keeping my desktop running was mainly plugging it in again after moving to a new apartment.
I hate using a phone. It’s small, the screen is tiny, the keyboard sucks (all touchscreen keyboards suck), you can’t have more than one thing in the tiny screen at a time (yes split screen exists and Android has freeform windows, but they suck even more).
A desktop is a breeze to use. It feels liberating to use after being on a phone.
Then get a larger phone or a tablet and a keyboard. You have options that are infinitely more efficient and less annoying than babysitting a PC.
At some point you must face the question: Are you using a PC because it’s how you’ve always done it?
EDIT: I happened to open the Voyager app and saw your comment. I responded within a minute. My keyboard works just fine. I’m sorry yours doesn’t.
So how fast do you type on your phone? Because I can barely get 50 words per minute and even then my accuracy suffers… So that’s a third of the speed of a proper keyboard and way more typos.
Why would I pay for a tablet and a keyboard to get a second super limited device as opposed to having a proper computer that can do anything I want it to?
Pretty damned fast, actually.
The rest of your excuses are pretty sad but I get it. Gotta protect what you support even if it’s based on outdated information.
To respond in kind, I offer this: You could always cut off the anti-virus subscription and sell your home PC to get that cheap tablet and keyboard.
Nice troll m8
Try programming on a tablet, or playing any graphics heavy games, or really anything more than simple text editing or media consumption. It’s a shit experience.
Of course if your idea of PC ownership includes an anti-virus subscription, you should indeed limit yourself to devices that limit what you can do with them, as I have suspicions about your tech literacy.
Something I’ve learned is that PC people are insane about accepting that there are better options out there.
Thanks for the lesson.
More limited options that don’t give you control over what you do, yes.
Lmao. Buddy if you want to use a phone as a computer, no worries. But fuck all the way off with the idea that using a PC is difficult or less efficient than a phone. Get a grip on reality.
“Babysitting a PC” you sound like you’re tech illiterate.
Buddy, you sound so defensive typing this out on your phone while your PC sits all the way across the room.
I could do a lot of things I do on the daily on my phone. But it would be more finicky and annoying. I have automated pretty much all regular maintenance my PC needs long ago. I just don’t see what I’d get, except for more janck.
You do you, mate.
I program on pc. Programming on phone is pretty terrible, I have spent a decent amount of time doing this and you kinda need to accept that a lot of regular dev programs on termux don’t work. And you also have to accept using the terminal for everything
Being able to program with a mouse is pretty convinient for things like debugging
Fair. But you also conceded that you can do it on a phone, just not as efficiently.
My comment specified “outside work.”
I think a lot of people downvoting and defending their PCs so . . . vociferously are just old and set in their ways. Not everyone is a programmer/coder.
First of all, I couldn’t find where you specified “outside work”, so maybe you imagined it and accidentally believed you did.
Second of all, phones can be efficient at some tasks, but PCs can be for others. Phones aren’t always the most efficient thing ever at every task. Programming for example is much more streamlined on desktop, since you can simply install an IDE, program what you need and test it pretty easily unless you’re really shit at coding. On mobile, it’s different, on iOS you’d be hard pressed to find an IDE at all that isn’t some completely unheard of one with at most 3 stars if people actually used it, or 5 stars from the creator of it. On android it’s a little better, although I genuinely haven’t heard of official or even recommended options for IDEs either.
Thirdly, people aren’t downvoting out of elitism, it’s out of logic, PCs are amazing at most things, maybe apart from endless short form video scrolling. Phones are just portable PCs built to be more energy efficient, do mostly the same tasks, but also lack most of the input methods apart from a digitiser, and a miniaturised display. None are bad, and frankly I’m typing this on an iPad right now, but that’s because I’m away from my desk and just wanna do some simple browsing. On my laptops I can genuinely do what I’d like that isn’t just browsing, I can have a game open that’s not compatible with iPadOS or android, and even within browsing, I can have 30 or more YouTube or other tabs open without the browser grinding to a halt, which I can’t say the same for safari on the iPad or chromium on my android phones.
People aren’t “just old and set in their ways” because they like the tactility, openness and forms of ease of use PCs bring. Sure, your workflow may have never touched PCs at all currently, but other people have different workflows. Other people aren’t stupid for not being you.
Sorry, I skipped all that.
OP: pulls out phone “Ha HA LET ME SHOW YOU MY 30% completed POKéDEX”
Bill: “I can store actual Pokémon here…”
I would, but I can’t fit 3 32 inch screens in my pocket ever since I blew out the crotch on my JNCOs.
Perhaps get some prescription glasses for your eyes so you can see screens better, mate.
I looked it up and you can save your JNCOs with Ceftriaxone or Levofloxacin. Check with your doctor, mon frère.
You know, I’m not sure if you’ve ever actually used a desktop computer before, but they have this incredible new feature that lets you have multiple windows open at the same time. You do you, though, my incredibly fucking stupid booboo.
You know, I’m not sure if you’ve ever actually used a mobile device before, but they have this incredible new feature that lets you have multiple windows open at the same time. You do you, though, my incredibly fucking stupid old booboo.
Yeah, I’ve used it. Even with the tiniest font size, you can barely see enough to get anything done with it. But going off of your posts, you don’t have any actual work to do so it makes sense that you’d think the two are comparable.
Ugh sounds like my nightmare. I try to keep the phone away and only use desktops or laptops. I just use the phone for calls, texts, photos when I don’t have a better camera, Lemmy/rss and some light web browsing.
Can you elaborate more on that? In my experience unless you set up a complicated NAS or home server setup maintaining a personal computer doesn’t require much upkeep. I prefer it over a phone because of the physical keyboard and superior window / tab / organization options.
PS: Wrote this comment from my phone anyway 🥲
You see all those things you just listed?
Those are things you hardly ever worry about or whose existence you completely forget about when you ditch a PC.
Your computer is an annoying child you never parented.
Wanna boot it up? Better wait for a minute or two. Oh! Now it needs an update because something went wrong last night when it was supposed to automatically do it.
Oops! Lost internet connection. Better go pecking around menus.
Shit. It’s acting up still. Your game you’re trying to play is losing frames. Something to do with heat management. Something about a graphics card? Who frigging knows, better ask the internet from a phone.
P.S. Your antivirus is out of date and you need money to renew your subscription. The process will take another few hours of your time because you have to babysit it past all the AI that’s sure to get in the way.
Bah! Humbug!
EDIT: The angry PC people typing aggressive insults using their phones proves the point and is quite funny.
It sounds like you’ve been burned by a poor PC experience. Your problems are legitimate though they should be rare, which is why your sweeping characterization of the PC experience is being downvoted.
I am much more interested in your mobile workflow! What apps do you use? Do you use workarounds for something PC users wouldn’t think about? Do you use accessories like a keyboard/mouse/monitor?
I have a tablet with a keyboard for writing. I have a phone that is synchronized to all files across both devices.
I don’t need a monitor because the tablet has a kickstand.
I don’t need a mouse because I can touch the screen. I could if I wanted to so there is a (now long-uncharged) wireless mouse in a drawer somewhere.
It’s convenient and I can simply walk up, touch the screen or keyboard and be typing away in about 5 seconds without fail.
The phone is even more convenient because it’s in my pocket.
I have zero worries about driver issues, subscriptions for anti-virus running out and the other things I’ve listed in my original comment that seem to have pissed off all the PC people.
One caveat I’m sure the angry old people will miss (on purpose?): For work- or academic-related items a PC or laptop is a better workflow than the mobile devices. If or when I next need that I’ll probably get a cheap laptop and then ditch it afterwards.
I don’t think I’ve mischaracterized the PC experience but it’s been about a decade since I ditched the technology. Do those PC-specific annoyances no longer exist?
Convenience trumps all the annoyances I associate with PCs. That includes installing: Ubuntu, Linux, alternate file applications such as OpenOffice, etc. I really can’t be bothered. I’m actually surprised (and humored) at how viciously the PC people have come out to scream at the clouds.
I wonder if this is how old people saw my generation when we ditched the typewriter for a computer?
If you made it here, I just wanna say thanks for a rational response. I know it’s hard having someone go against the grain online.
I think everyones experience is equally as valid. For your use case and needs a tablet+keyboard works perfectly fine.
I do think a lot of the PC annoyances you mentioned have improved drastically over the past decade. For example: I hear that back in the day getting a printer to work was stressful. Now (for me) it just works out of the box both on MacOS and Linux. Only Windows for work still has some driver problems in my case.
But the windows experience has probably become even worse since your last time on a PC anyway. I can‘t fathom why anyone would stick with Windows unless it is some very specific application or video game that doesn‘t work on other platforms.
There is a use case in this year that requires the use of a laptop and the Microsoft AI fiasco is making me stress a bit.
The other things you mentioned as slightly improved don’t give me hope.
Holy fuck I wish I had read this comment first. You are actually an idiot of the highest order.
Can introduce you to our lord and savior Debian? All your troubles will go away when you accept Linux into your heart.
No. That requires a PC.
Tablets and phones allow keyboards and run 99 percent of the programs or tasks I could ever need.
I guess if all you do is troll people online, a phone is just fine
Preferring a phone over a PC trolling. Got it.
Why do carpenters need all those saws and chisels? I have a perfectly good staircase right here already