• badgermurphy@lemmy.world
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      19 hours ago

      Its not, though. The chain of events is well documented, with much of the original correspondence still there to read and evaluate for yourself. Its arguably not a conspiracy, either, since it was perpetrated by a single entity.

      Their motivations for doing it are the subject of a lot of speculation, some of it pretty wild, but the facts that they did do it and how it was done are public record.

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        17 hours ago

        No, see the reasoning why distros switched, e.g. Debian or Arch. TL;DR: technical merit, no good alternatives existed at the time, as evidence by how the Arch maintainer paraphrased the average systemd critic:

        I think there might be this other project that possibly is doing something similar. I don’t really know anything about it, but I’m pretty sure it is better than systemd.

        Would the landscape be more diverse if other people would have built someone when Poettering first announced systemd? Probably! Did anyone do it? No! OpenRC wasn’t a fully fledged alternative back then, Upstart had fundamental design flaws.

        But does anyone regret adopting systemd? Also no! Everybody is happy. It’s robust, it works, it makes admin lives easier. Users no longer have to deal with zombies, slow boots, and unnecessary services running.

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          8 hours ago

          Bro I’m not making a single claim about the merits or flaws of systemd. I’m talking about the huge infighting and strong arming that went on back when it came out. I had an LTS server back then and just had my popcorn out to watch, since I don’t have the programming expertise to weigh the pros and cons of init systems at a philosophical level.

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            3 hours ago

            You missed the point: I quoted and linked to contemporary decision making because it illustrates that there’s no “strongarming” necessary if something is the only game in town.

            Sysvinit was no longer doing the trick, Upstart wasn’t architecturally sound, OpenRC wasn’t a serious contender at that point either: they could adopt systemd or wait for a few years in case some alternative would come along.

            That’s why your framing doesn’t make sense to me: it implies that there was some sort of choice that Big Init was trying to stack the cards for, but there wasn’t at that point.