• dizzle18@lemmy.zip
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    A couch fucker and some fraudulent shill who was made famous by Oprah. These are the people making this decision which will literally kill people.

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    Causing harm to civilians in order to coerce the submission of a government is the very definition of terrorism

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      Technically it’s worse:

      State terrorism is terrorism conducted by a state against its own citizens or another state’s citizens.[1][2][3][4] It contrasts with state-sponsored terrorism, in which a violent non-state actor commits acts of terrorism under the sponsorship of a state.

      Governments that are accused of using state terrorism may justify their actions as efforts to combat internal dissent, suppress insurgencies, or maintain national security, often framing their actions within the context of counterterrorism or counterinsurgency.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_terrorism

      I know people hate being pedantic, but we can’t afford to be lazy. Because that makes it harder to sort thru historical records to see how our ancestors overcame it.

      MAGA uses old playbooks so much, we’d be idiots not to treat it like an open book test and see why it failed last time.

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      The number of people who leap up to blame anyone except the people that voted for Trump is fascinating to me. Objectively the people that voted him in, and somehow entirely blameless.

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        Nobody says Trump voters are blameless. That’s a straw man.

        But Trump voters lack some of the moral culpability of those who knew better and still didn’t vote, or threw their vote away on Jill Stein or whatever.

        There is no point in trying to shame MAGA voters for bringing about what is happening now, because they like it. What can you say to that?

        On the other hand, leftists who didn’t vote against him feel that shame deeply, as evidenced by the fact that they cry like little bitches whenever you remind them.

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              • I actually like the people I vote for.
              • I’m too stubborn to be peer pressured into voting with the herd.
              • I’m in a solid color state, and my state votes late in the primaries. I get more leeway with voting third party than someone in a swing state.
              • Third parties appreciate every vote they get.
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                Voting third parties don’t put any butts in seats and therefore do nothing. For example green has literally NEVER put someone in a federal office iin their 40 year existence.

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                  If likeliness of victory mattered, absolutely no one would vote Democrat in Oklahoma.

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            Pfft. The ones who are still proud of themselves at this point I lump in with the Trumpers. Most of ya’ll are just reflexive contrarians who would never vote for anyone who might win. We didn’t lose your vote, because you aren’t possible to win over.

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        You did it, you saved Gaza! (The war was going to time out regardless, it wasn’t Trump that ended it.)

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          No one believes you any more. And history will remember you for what you are.

          In the end, I guess you got what you wanted. The genocide supporting candidate won.

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              You insisted the the US needed to support genocide. You got your way. It cost the Democrats the presidency, because a Democrat could never win being pro genocide.

              You won. You got your way. This was the outcome you insisted on.

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                  I don’t expect strong reading comprehension from pro-genocide apologists who did the work to get fascists elected. If a scrape a penny and go look at your comment history out, help cuz out, what will I find?

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                You are arguing there was a candidate that wasent progenocide. Could you provide for the class who this person was?

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                  No I’m not. I’m making the point that neither candidate was anti-genocide, and that Democrats lost because they thought they could bully their voters into voting for a genocide. Someguy3 things voters are like a horse you can just buggy whip into doing what you want, and I don’t agree with that.

                  I’m probably the most vocal, most persistent, and most consistent voice on lemmy who has been saying exactly what the recent news around the DNC 2024 post-mortem is also saying: Democrats could not win as a pro genocide party.

                  You can go through this comment thread and find my main points: https://lemmy.world/post/43468718?sort=Top

                  Here’s me making that argument 2 years ago: https://lemmy.world/post/18568674?scrollToComments=true

                  I mean look at this banger:

                  I argue, and have argued, and will continue to argue, that you can-not move electorates over the course of an election cycle. Elections are 4-12 month cycles. That’s not enough time to change the hearts and minds of millions of individual people. I think its electorally illiterate to blame voters for how they voted. Your job in politics is to understand what voters think and feel, and why they think and feel what they do, and adjust your campaign and strategy to operate with in the real conditions of an electorate.

                  Any one trying to paint the election as a binary, or trying to operate their rhetoric on individual commenters or voters, instead of the actual person who could make the necessary changes (eg, Biden or Harris), they are apologists for genocide, and at this point, I consider them to be as pro-fascist as MAGA.

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    They might think this kind of thing makes them look strong. But they are incorrect.

    Anyone with more than a couple of braincells in their skull knows this the sign of an administration that got humiliated and is furiously trying to retaliate out of pure spite.

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    Not in the US. How are people from Minnesota fighting back against this??

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          Well the civil war pretty clearly established this and if we try we would absolutely have to fight and win a multi year war during which in addition to millions or tens of millions of deaths there would be ample pretext to not count our votes. We would seem folks herded into death camps which nukes would insure nobody would liberate.

          Our military would be firmly on the side of compliance with the law which they voted for 2 to 1 and we would lose.