Dude, I’ve worked on Hardens campaign here in Ottawa. I know the actual challenges to reaching out to the masses, and while jaded, I still work on the actual problems, and try and reach out. It’s still just a fact of the matter that a large amount of the voting base is afraid to put the vote behind the NDP out of fear of the Conservatives.

You’re spouting a lot of platitudes on here, which I can appreciate being fired up about, but you’re going at it in a completely aggressive and ineffective way. Going after people in our own party is a terrible use of your own time, and not constructive at all.

Dude I can’t control the masses, I don’t know what you want me to do?

The problem is that with all of your counter points, you keep talking about “reason”. This is politics, Doug Ford wouldn’t still be in charge if people voted on reason. You keep making the same problem that the NDP has been making in expecting the whole population to use reason and think rationally as well. They don’t, and you and the rest of the party leadership need to realize that.

The charisma thing is a real consideration, because the NDP have proven they need that to be able to get ahead of the other two parties. Everyone has spoken to Jacks charisma being the one thing that got the NDP as close as they’ve been, but now you are telling me that charisma isn’t important? Especially when they’re trying to rebuild the party? I’m sorry but we will be in complete disagreement on that one. Pierre doesn’t need charisma, he’s at the head of the other party that won’t raise taxes in the masses, so hence not being in the NDPs tough spot.

I tried using the term “Human Rights” because that’s what I believe them to be, but a lot of the people I was referring to, would call them “identity politics”. I’m sorry to say it, because I’d rather acceptance be the default as well, but people who would otherwise support the NDP didn’t this election cycle due to all of the noise around identity politics. I’m also from Ottawa, so I’m sure you know the Lanark county types I’m referring to, I grew up around them.

It’s just an uphill battle to rebuild a party, and I’m not sure how the leadership hopefuls will manage to pull it off. My fingers are crossed for them, I’ve always been an NDP supporter but want to feel like I’m not just throwing my vote in the trash. Even in my “always NDP” riding it went red last time. I just want to see them get back to the basics (hence Ashton being my hopeful til the AI thing)

The fascist plague is in Canada too

Yeah, we know, and it’s been an attempt at the US government to get their bullshit up north, and exactly why the Conservatives lost so hard last election. The people up here at least get out and vote when we see the Conservative party aligning with Trump, and in Alberta aligning with “US Separatism”.

Any link to that Police-led Nazi march you’re mentioning? Didn’t read anything on that.

I was hopeful for Rob at first but starting his candidacy with an AI AMA on Reddit was a bad look. They even hit him on that point at the end of the debate.

He also didn’t much charisma on the stage. I guess I understand why he had his helpers do the AMA with AI, because he had to keep looking at his notes last night, and it makes me wonder how much he believes and how much he’s just parroting.

I’m almost afraid to help take their side, because I agree that the NDP did this to themselves with the infighting. Now before you go telling me that my brain is mush, let me try and explain why people voted ABC this last election.

They held on to Singh too long, he wasn’t drawing people in to the party. Say what you will but Polievres attacks at him driving a Maserati was successful at having people I know that support NDP questioning why a rich lawyer was running the party.

There are also the other end of the NDP fan spectrum that I know from my time in construction, the types that used to see them as the labour party. They have absolutely lost that title on Ontario to the Conservative party, and have instead been positioned as the “human rights” party. Everyone who used to support the NDP on that front got tired of hearing about Gaza over the election cycle, and didn’t feel the NDP should be as vocal about that as they were.

Then there was the TFW/immigration support they went heavy on during the election, when all polling was showing the unpopularity of those systems, and wanting the numbers to be lessened. The NDP used to be against the TFW program, and it was positioned very successfully that they were supporting of it this last election.

You talk about how they formed the coalition to get things to work, I agree, that was the right move to get Pharmacare. But all that did was position the Liberals as a party willing to make those changes, and in the past election cycle, there was little chance voters would give up a party willing to do that for the Conservatives.

Now the fear should be who will lead them next. I watched the NDP leadership debate last night. There aren’t really any people running that have charisma and the ability to get people behind their cause. I think we’ll see the NDP suffer for another election cycle or two federally.

How long til we’re back to physical machines with card slots again? I guess they’ll have to add some sort of tapping feature for everyone carrying phones and watches for their wallets now. But QR codes have always been the stupidest way to try and set these up, but it’s also the cheapest so no wonder that’s what they went with.

I’ve been watching the curling through these Olympics, and after this was done there were reports that other nations teams also have claimed to have done this before, and that they don’t think it requires extreme policing like the Swedish team suggested. The latter half of their argument led me to believe it happens a lot more than we knew before this incident and they’d rather this not become a constant issue. Sounds like the Swedish team has been trying to accuse the Canadian team of this for a few years now, and have gotten a reputation internationally about it as sore losers.

So it’s only “what the Canadian team is known for” because of the swearing response, and the fact it was broadcast everywhere after Swedish media blew up about it, and why they only had umpires watching as of the next day. It seems like the rest of the world doesn’t care about this, and is more upset about the aggressive response (which I think everyone can agree with)