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I hate AI because I want to be able to afford RAM and storage again
I hate AI because it’s a waste of finite resources.
I hate it because it’s supported by a system of corruption and greed that is destroying the economy.
I hate it because all major AI vendors have supported or abetted criminals in circumventing democracy worldwide.
I hate it because it isn’t AI, it’s a LLM.
You’re confusing AI with AGI…
Speech to text is ai, llm’s are ai… But they’re not consciousAI helps fly planes when pilots lose consciousness.
AI helps surgeons perform microscopic surgery through robotic tools.
AI performs large algorithmic and logistically complex tasks based on a specific set of requirements to a detailed task.
These aren’t new concepts. These are technologies that have existed for the last 30-40 years.
Our definition of “AI” today has been muddled due to marketing manipulation.
LLMs are not AI. LLMs have existed for the last 20-30 years. I played with one in 2000. it was a sex chat bot. it literally did exactly the same things current LLMs do today except it emulates speech patterns better.
AGI is just another marketing word. Ignore it, it doesn’t exist.
You mean like the video games industry?
Most arguments people make against AI are in my opinion actually arguments against capitalism. Honestly, I agree with all of them, too. Ecological impact? A result of the extractive logic of capitalism. Stagnant wages, unemployment, and economic dismay for regular working people? Gains from AI being extracted by the wealthy elite. The fear shouldn’t be in the technology itself, but in the system that puts profit at all costs over people.
Data theft? Data should be a public good where authors are guaranteed a dignified life (decoupled from the sale of their labor).
Enshittification, AI overview being shoved down all our throats? Tactics used to maximize profits tricking us into believing AI products are useful.
AI is just a tool like anything else. What’s the saying again? "AI doesn’t kill people, capitalism kills people?
I do AI research for climate and other things and it’s absolutely widely used for so many amazing things that objectively improve the world. It’s the gross profit-above-all incentives that have ruined “AI” (in quotes because the general public sees AI as chatbots and funny pictures, when it’s so much more).
The quotes are because “AI” doesn’t exist. There are many programs and algorithms being used in a variety of way. But none of them are “intelligent”.
There is literally no intelligence in a climate model. It’s just data + statistics + compute. Please stop participating in the pseudo-scientific grift.
The quotes are because “AI” doesn’t exist. There are many programs and algorithms being used in a variety of way. But none of them are “intelligent”.
And this is where you show your ignorance. You’re using the colloquial definition for intelligence and applying incorrectly.
By definition, a worm has intelligence. The academic, or biological, definition of intelligence is the ability to make decisions based on a set of available information. It doesn’t mean that something is “smart”, which is how you’re using it.
“Artificial Intelligence” is a specific definition we typically apply to an algorithm that’s been modelled after the real world structure and behaviour of neurons and how they process signals. We take large amounts of data to train it and it “learns” and “remembers” those specific things. Then when we ask it to process new data it can make an “intelligent” decision on what comes next. That’s how you use the word correctly.
Your ignorance didn’t make you right.
algorithm that’s been modelled after the real world structure and behaviour of neurons and how they process signals
Except the Neural Net model doesn’t actually reproduce everything real, living neurons do. A mathematician in the 70s said, “hey what if this is how brains work?” He didn’t actually study brains, he just put forward a model. It’s a useful model. But it’s also an extreme misrepresentation to say it approximates actual neurons.
A mathematician in the 70s said, “hey what if this is how brains work?”
If you really want to be pedantic, the modern concept of neural networks was invented decades prior.
But in either case, ANN do follow the basic concept of how neurons work. That’s not even up for debate. Obviously biological neurons have way more going on, and there’s even evidence for “warm” quantum processing happening within each neuron in the microtubules. But the feed-forward signal mechanism is real, and ANNs are based on that concept.
Except the Neural Net model doesn’t actually reproduce everything real, living neurons do.
No idea what you’re saying here. But if I had to guess, you’re saying that “real brains, not artificial ones, create novel outputs”. And if that is what you meant, then congrats, you said nothing of value. The discussion was never about biological vs artificial neural network quality.
here’s even evidence for “warm” quantum processing happening within each neuron in the microtubules
No.
Are you talking about AI or LLM branded as LLM?
Actual AI is accurate and efficient because it is designed for specific tasks. Unlike LLM which is just fancy autocomplete.
Actual AI doesn’t exist
FTFY.
I don’t hate AI, in fact i think it could be very useful. But i can’t help but notice that it’s critics are mostly correct and it’s proponents are a bunch of fucking morons.
Its critics are also morons btw
Most people who talk about ai know nothing about it…
Exactly like cryptocurrency…
In fact, the ai boom is identical to the NFT boom…
NFT’s are extremely useful, for stuff like a car deed… Not for pictures of monkeys
There is no “AI”.
That deception is the main ingredient in the snake oil.
Does it run on something that’s modelled on a neural net? Then it’s AI by definition.
I think you’re confusing AI with “AGI”.
Whose definition?
People who know what they are talking about. But that doesn’t matter to you, does it?
Whom? Name these people.
You are an idiot I am not playing your game I’ll just call you out on being an idiot. If you came across as genuine I would give you a history lesson but you are just an asshole looking to pick a fight. If you could articulate how exactly knowing of John McCarthy and countless others and their contributions would change anything about what you are doing I would be happy to google that for you.
Where did anyone from the Dartmouth folks identify “AI” as “anything that runs on a “neural network””?
Edit: Also, I asked two very simple questions. Your response already tells me everything I need to know.
Edit II: What fucking “game” was I playing by simply asking you to verify your claims?
Where did anyone from the Dartmouth folks identify “AI” as “anything that runs on a “neural network””?
Edit: Also, I asked two very simple questions. Your response already tells me everything I need to know.
Edit II: What fucking “game” was I playing by asking you to verify your claims?
Lol dude like I said, knowing who wouldn’t change what you are doing.
Por que no los dos?
Because “AI” doesn’t exist. Hating something that doesn’t exist is just playing into the grift.
Because AI - in a very broad sense - is useful.
Putting aside that “AI” doesn’t exist…
For whom is it useful for? For what?
Under capitalism “usefulness” often means the destruction of humanity and the planet.
Example: The Role of AI in Israel’s Genocidal Campaign Against Palestinians
