But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
See single transferable vote (STV): A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
I never said proportional representation requires political parties. I said, and I quote, “Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.” meaning the system PR is being tacked on to doesn’t work and we aren’t fixing anything switching from FPTP to PR if we keep the party system.
The party system is the single biggest issue with our Politics. It prevents independents from ever being elected and allows a few parties to control the entire political landscape and narrative.
Which is why the entire history of Canada has been Conservative Government, Liberal Opposition or Liberal Government, Conservative opposition on a federal level excluding that one time because the right old white guy lead the NDP.
The point is we need a complete overhaul, and not a tune up so electoral reform should mean the entire system if we are going to go through with it because it is a huge undertaking.
I also do not need to have you pretentiously offer me “simple guides to political systems” because I think you are wrong.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
The reason we have two major parties is described in Duverger’s law. You don’t have to think I’m right or wrong, because this is just the reality.
“Parties” are inevitable just by simple human nature. It’s the same reason cliques exist in highschool; We gravitate towards people we agree with and eventually (either purposefully or not) begin to align our decision making.
He is a thirst trap though even after ten years in office. He’s only 53 seems very young to retire. I’m curious to know what he does next. UN ambassador? Ambassador for Canada to France?
I’ll also always remember how the Liberals pulled a judo-reverse on the Conservatives by turning their main line of attack back against them. I knew from the moment I saw that ad with Trudeau on the escalator that the Liberals would win.
Trudeau will be remembered for many things
including all the conservatives that wanted to fuck him.
Just finding out I’m a raging conservative. Oh god, I need to sit down… On his lap…
And for letting us down on proportional representation: !fairvote@lemmy.ca
You only think they were going to choose the most complex voting scheme out there.
Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.
But proportional representation does not require political parties to be a part of the electoral system.
See single transferable vote (STV): A Simple Guide to Electoral Systems. It’s still a work in progress, but lays out a good framework for discussing electoral systems.
I never said proportional representation requires political parties. I said, and I quote, “Proportional representation is not the answer because the party system does not work to begin with.” meaning the system PR is being tacked on to doesn’t work and we aren’t fixing anything switching from FPTP to PR if we keep the party system.
The party system is the single biggest issue with our Politics. It prevents independents from ever being elected and allows a few parties to control the entire political landscape and narrative.
Which is why the entire history of Canada has been Conservative Government, Liberal Opposition or Liberal Government, Conservative opposition on a federal level excluding that one time because the right old white guy lead the NDP.
The point is we need a complete overhaul, and not a tune up so electoral reform should mean the entire system if we are going to go through with it because it is a huge undertaking.
I also do not need to have you pretentiously offer me “simple guides to political systems” because I think you are wrong.
There isn’t a modern democracy in the world that doesn’t have political parties. And for good reason, it’s wholly impractical. Even single party states such as China have political parties…
The reason we have two major parties is described in Duverger’s law. You don’t have to think I’m right or wrong, because this is just the reality.
“Parties” are inevitable just by simple human nature. It’s the same reason cliques exist in highschool; We gravitate towards people we agree with and eventually (either purposefully or not) begin to align our decision making.
Our tribalism is one of our greatest weakness’ and the ability to change our base responses and nature is one of our greatest strengths as a species.
He is a thirst trap though even after ten years in office. He’s only 53 seems very young to retire. I’m curious to know what he does next. UN ambassador? Ambassador for Canada to France?
Ambassador for Canada to the USA. :-D
I don’t think Trudeau is a masochist like that.
I loved that the original attack ad they had when he was first running for Prime Minister was that he was too young and handsome to be a leader.
He DID have nice hair.
Used to have nice hair, still does, but used to too.
I’ll also always remember how the Liberals pulled a judo-reverse on the Conservatives by turning their main line of attack back against them. I knew from the moment I saw that ad with Trudeau on the escalator that the Liberals would win.
Oh, do you have a link? I’m not Canadian but that sounds interesting.
E: Nvm found it.