Dang, I honestly have no idea what any of this means.
Eurosky is running a relay, a piece of infrastructure in the atproto/bluesky network.
Ah, thanks for that! Would it be similar to hosting an instance?
not at all: atproto works very differently. fedi instances “do it all”, on atproto pds-es hold content, relays discover and aggregate, appviews show stuff. iirc relays can also implement moderation (such as blocks or bans). right now to my knowledge the only relays are bluesky’s and blacksky’s (because hosting a relay is very resource intensive)
So with this bridge, how can people on the Fediverse end follow people on the Eurosky end?
Relays are actually really cheap to host (about 30 euro/month). Relays can do moderation , but it’s mostly just removing spam or illegal content.
ah i’d categorize 30/mo as expensive :) i pay around 8 eur and have email, matrix, minecraft and jellyfin running!
Well, compared to the estimates some people came up with ($5000/month was a figure some people were throwing around a bit ago).
Its possible to gather data in alternative ways too, like constellation.
IIRC the issue was that the relay can also function as a mirror/archive of posts. That’s a lot of data and gets expensive.
Thanks, I really appreciate the insight!
I really wish more people realized ATProto is very likely a embrace+extend+extinguish thing. I can’t trust a VC-funded protocol, even more so when it shadows alternatives like ActivityPub
How is it EEE? They’re not embracing any protocol, they’re making their own, they can’t extend it since any extensions are then just part of the spec.
The bluesky teams goal wasn’t just to make a protocol, it was to look for existing ones. They considered AP, but didn’t choose it due to its numerous issues.
Atproto fixes almost all the issues AP has.
Embracing or making their own, doesn’t change the inherent lack of trust coming from its devs. I know there’s efforts for a task force that is independent (w3c I think?), and I’d love to be proven wrong in the future, but for now the design of the protocol seems inherently prone for centralizing in few nodes.
The cost of running relays is already larger than if they’d used AT, and I know the latter has issues too but I can’t help but feel distrust when faced with a protocol that is like that, and again - I cannot stress this enough - VC-backed stuff is known for rugpulls like that, even if the protocol itself is open it wont matter. AFAIK Bluesky’s own impl. is closed-source which is a red flag on itself. If they wanted openness they wouldn’t make it only for the protocol.
fediverse and atproto support, let’s not make the same mistake as fediverse/mastodon (edit: calling the network “mastodon” when it isn’t. Bluesky has many problems and should be avoided but there’s other parts in this network that are building independence: see blacksky, or microcosm.blue)
Fediverse and ATmosphere ActivityPub and ATproto Mastodon and Bluesky
What mistake?
calling the network “mastodon”
I don’t see why it’s a mistake. People simplify stuff, and those who care about such things (mostly us) will know the difference. If I explain what is mastodon to regular people, I just say “a twitter clone”. People don’t care about how this things work under the hood, it’s just a minute detail.
I’m talking specifically about calling the network, ie the interconnection of independent softwares, as “mastodon”. It’s not about explaining how mastodon works, it’s implying everything works this way. This very platform we are using is definitely not mastodon, but is definitely part of the fediverse
I do not understand your gripe on this. We know the network is the Fediverse (Federated network) and that the platform is Mastodon, just as this platform is Lemmy.
Their original complaint was that OP called AtProto “Bluesky”, presumably that’s what they are still complaining about. And reasonably IMO. Saying “Bluesky” instead of “AtProto” is like saying “Substack” instead of “blog”.
Calling mastodon.social a decentralized network haha. The experience of running and using your instance is soooooo bad because they don’t care at all
What mistake was that?
calling the network “mastodon”
You mean calling it Bluesky (instead of AtProto). You seem confused about your own gripe! But I agree with the point.
no, I was talking about the initial mistake that many people do, which is the fediverse/mastodon mixup
So, how can I follow a Eurosky account from the Fediverse using this relay?
