“Telegram is not a private messenger. There’s nothing private about it. It’s the opposite. It’s a cloud messenger where every message you’ve ever sent or received is in plain text in a database that Telegram the organization controls and has access to it”
“It’s like a Russian oligarch starting an unencrypted version of WhatsApp, a pixel for pixel clone of WhatsApp. That should be kind of a difficult brand to operate. Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident, even though he goes to Russia once a month, the whole team lives in Russia, and their families are there.”
" What happened in France is they just chose not to respond to the subpoena. So that’s in violation of the law. And, he gets arrested in France, right? And everyone’s like, oh, France. But I think the key point is they have the data, like they can respond to the subpoenas where as Signal, for instance, doesn’t have access to the data and couldn’t respond to that same request. To me it’s very obvious that Russia would’ve had a much less polite version of that conversation with Pavel Durov and the telegram team before this moment"
Still signal has its own problems. Having to register with phone numbers and they use Amazon Web Service…Both aren’t as private as they claim.
SimpleX is better than both in regards to privacy. Just not mainstream enough yet
With a name like simplex it’s a matter of time before it goes viral
Somehow, they’ve done a really amazing job of convincing the whole world that this is an encrypted messaging app and that the founder is some kind of Russian dissident
buddy nobody uses telegram for privacy, it’s simply a better chat app, that’s all it took, being better
You and I have different definitions of “better” apparently. Never mind privacy, Telegram is infamous for lying to your face.
me and like a billion other people yeah
as a chat app it does basically everything better, it’s just the privacy that lets it down
You’re in the privacy community, so yeah, privacy is the thing that people here are gonna be talking about
They also got their users by promising “no ads ever” before hiding the promise and adding ads.
But he has a point. There is a reason people are using it.
II’ve got some qualms about Moxie’s ties to cryptocurrency, but literally every word he says here is exactly right.
What’s wrong with ties to crypto? It’s less centralized than bank cards and allows to make transactions without being tracked if you use coins like Monero.
Crypto in general? Its lofty goals are constantly perverted by people that treat it as an unregulated stock, and corruption is rampant.
This in particular though? Literally the same thing
Got me curious. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/signal-vs-telegram
“If security is your main priority, then Signal is the obvious pick.” from Tom
