• ikt@aussie.zone
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    I love it when my shitpost community which I use to take my mind off current events is filled with people at each others throats and tearing each other apart

    Thanks @MTZ@lemmy.world ! I officially declare you the donald trump of lemmy! Extremely popular with all the wrong people

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        Yeah, we don’t have time for that. Iranian school girls aren’t just going to turn themselves into chunks of lifeless meat scattered across a wide area.

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      Americans jumping in calling Israel out are hilarious, you guys are the main source of terror, don’t act like you’re on the right side of this. Go fix your dumpster fire, leave this one to people who aren’t being led by a pedo psychopath. The last thing the free Palestine movement needs is Americans cheapening it.

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        Many of us want to change it, but we are cattle in the eyes of our government with no real power to change it - though we’re doing our damndest in spite of that.

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    Remember boys and girls, if the bomb falls from the sky either from a plane or ridding the nosecone of a missile or is shot from the barrel of a tank, that is never Terrorism, it’s only Terrorism if it’s otherwise.

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      For as long as Russia is willing to use bombs to steal land, Europe needs bombs. Obviously.

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        But didn’t you know that war is very bad? So we need to completely disarm ourselves, and pretend a rouge state like Russia don’t have ambitions for territorial conquests. Even if they have, we will have the moral superiority of having the moral high ground!

        👏 They 👏 go 👏 low, 👏 we 👏 go 👏 high!

        /j

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      Because it’s short-sighted and ridiculous. Yes Russia bombs are bad, yes some NATO bombs are necessary but many are also bad, some Israeli bombs may have been necessary in the past but are now overwhelmingly bad.

      This is dumb “tankie” talk that tries to push people into corners that are comfortable for the OP so that they don’t have to use their brain and think about whether people’s world views may be more complex and (eep!) sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.

      And lastly, as many posts on here, it simply reeks of anti-western propaganda.

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        There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn’t thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don’t really know about.

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          “Bla bla bla, hurrdurr you clearly don’t read history, look at me, smarter than anyone!” *Beats chest like a fucking gorilla

          That is what you sound like.

          I am very well aware of the history. The issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.

          Good bombs can be thrown by bad regimes. Until you can wrap your head around that one there is indeed no point in arguing. Not because I don’t know about things, but because you don’t. Stop trying to sound smart because your black and white views are anything but. See you around, gorilla boy.

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            You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you’ve driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. They don’t defend against “terrorist” attacks on your occupied soil, they only serve to invite more. What are you going to tell me next, “muh human shields”? Fuck off.

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              No way, bombs kill people?

              And more bad faith arguments after you’ve accused me of making them?

              Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.

              Don’t tell me to fuck off when you’re arguing like a fucking retard MAGA scumbag.

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                issue here is that you just can’t wrap your head around the fact that there are actual terrorists that threaten actual, innocent (yes Israeli) people. People who didn’t choose to be born in Israel, kids, teenagers at a music festival.

                Where have I said that throwing bombs on civilian centres are good? You fucking dense motherfucker.

                Where the fuck are the bombs “protecting” the people at that music festival going, HMMMMM?

                It’s fucking hilarious to see you call someone else dumb when you can’t even think through the second order events that come from your statement. To paraphrase you:

                Where else do you think those bombs are going to fall? You fucking dense motherfucker.

                You’re talking about retaliation against civilians for the actions of terrorists, and those civilians are packed into dense areas by the people who drop the bombs on them.

                No one said you thought they were good, that’s your lazy deflection to not acknowledge that it’s happening. How can you not see this?

                Sees the slur

                Yeah, they’re arguing like a magat scumbag, not you…

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                  Whatever dude, you MAGA fucktards are all the same.

                  Yes you’re fucking dumb if all your brain is capable of is black and white. Nice and easy, but not the way the world works. Good bombs thrown by bad people on other bad people’s heads and all.

                  I’m not talking about retaliation either. So if you have to tell me what I’m talking about and have to “paraphrase” me to make an actual point, then maybe, just maybe you don’t really have a point.

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        But this is literally how western media and leaders are portraying this. All bombs are bad, NATO or Russia or China or Iran or Israel I don’t care. And fuck Israeli bombs in particular where and why would bombs by a colonial entity committing genocide ever be necessary wtf?

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          Because there is such a thing as self-defence. If you are getting bombed by an aggressor, then bombing them back is a necessary thing. This moronic meme doesn’t take that into account.

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          It’s just American, Israeli and other (extreme) right wing media. So it’s not “western media”.

          And no, bombs on an actual terrorist’s head are good bombs. A bomb on Hitler’s ass (like the attempted “Valkyrie” bombing) would have been a damn near perfect bomb.

          And as for the Israeli bombs – and as I told the other guy – try to read what I actually said and not what you expect to read based on your prejudices.

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        sometimes more well-thought of than their own simplistic view of “NATO bad - Communism good”.

        Bold of you to say that when whole west has injected red scare propaganda in viens of their people

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        I wonder why some people push “anti-western propaganda”

        Maybe it’s because the west keeps doing deplorable things.

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        It’s a shitposting community. It’s irony.
        With statements like this:

        some Israeli bombs may have been necessary

        it seems that you are the deranged one.

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          How so? And please finish the quote and not just the part that you need to make a disingenuous statement.

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        That’s alot of assumption from a meme. Edit Addendum: I’m pretty sure the meme is a reference to how specifically media portrays bombs from various countries as opposed to any actual moral claim about bombs.

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          Maybe you should have a look at OP’s post history.

          I think I’m pretty accurate in my analysis ;)

          Edit: and yes, of course it is a meme about how media (and certain people) portray these bombs. That doesn’t change what I said at all, and in fact what I said is based on that very same premise.

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        It’s nice to see that Lemmy is about 3/5 sane people, based on the upvote/downvote ratio here.

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          Communism good, anything else: Zionist pig.

          It must be bliss to live with such a simplistic world view. Or is papa Putin paying you?

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            “Some Israeli bombs have been necessary in the past” implies support for the genocidal Zionist entity, you’re literally defending the zios. Yes, you are a Zionist pig.

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              Sure buddy. Must be bliss to have such a simplistic “A means B” worldview. Kindly fuck off kid

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                  LOL fuck Israel and their bombs. Damn Netanyahu and the entire Israeli administration to hell (which obviously doesn’t really exist) for bombing innocent Palestinians.

                  How about now fuckface?

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        Lol Israeli and NATO bombs were necessary? Man, may God forgive you for your lack of humanity and overall ignorance.

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      I didn’t, but I’m assuming they just haven’t heard anyone say that it’s good to be nuked by NATO.

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        There is only one country that has ever nuked another, and NATO didn’t exist back then.

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        i constantly hear people saying nato is justified on shit they do.

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      Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately. Plus the whole invading a neighbor, murdering the people and stealing the land.

      Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

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        Russian bombs are bad not because of the flag, but because they consistently target civilians indiscriminately

        Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far

        Could you provide us what numeric estimates you’re using for both conflicts?

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        Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

        Genuinely not defending Russia here, but Dubya’s pretext for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was if anything even flimsier than the “justification” for the Ukraine invasion, and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

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          and that war killed way more people, civilians and not.

          No it fucking didn’t. The completely delusional claim of yours is a good example of why this blanket statement is so stupid.

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            You can just look up the numbers. This isn’t some secret knowledge. 400k civilians directly killed, on the low end, millions more dead from famine and displacement. Versus like 15-20k in Ukraine.

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          The estimates I’ve seen are 300.000 killed in Iraq. There’s more Russians killed alone than that, let alone Ukrainian military and civilian casualties…

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            Just 15172 civilians killed in Ukraine, according to UN, though. About 40k injured. That’s the lower estimate, yes, but, in comparison, the USA has committed more than 100k confirmed civilians kills in just Iraq alone.

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            Ok, some in Yemen and Somalia too, but Wikipedia claims the cost of life of the gwot was 4.5 million, and I’ve seen credible estimates as high as 6.

            And I think in this situation we’d only really be comparing Ukrainian casualties to them.

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        Say what you want about Bush, even that war criminal didn’t go as far.

        Any point you might’ve had about land acquisition, separatism, or imperialism, is pretty hard invalidated by this comparison. Like, why add Bush as a qualifier?

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      because I don’t want political shit in my shitpost comm

      There’s other places to post this shit

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    Top of the bell curve shit post. I’d argue about operation noble anvil but, that would put me at the bottom of the curve.

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        It’s the only time I defend NATO as an institution for defending a marginalized group.

        Am I right? Fuck if I know but at least I believe in something.

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          They did not defend a marginalized group. they needed a Balkan country for a military base (and other pedophilic needs for your masters), so they made one up. Once this base is not needed, you and your fellow Americans will forget that these made-up marginalized groups ever existed.