Important progress has been made regarding bringing MLS end-to-end encryption to the ActivityPub protocol, with developers already building implementations and providing feedback to a future version of the protocol spec.
this is misleading and sensationalistic. if emissary implements e2ee, it’s not “e2ee for the fediverse”, it’s " e2ee for emissary users". did mastodon talk about e2ee? did lemmy?
also the MLS-in-activitypub draft proposes for trusted key exchange either " trust the server" (lmao), use a centralized key authority (wow) or have users manually verify their keys out of band (so basically use matrix to assure your chat is encrypted). source: https://swicg.github.io/activitypub-e2ee/architectural-variations.html#validating-end-to-end-encryption
fedi devs need to stop clickbaiting, and fedi users should learn a bit more about their protocol to avoid getting misled this way
I felt like a 90 year old grandma reading this.
You and me both.
But after pondering the orbs for a minute I think they’re saying, that it’s just Emissary trying to get E2EE working and not Fediverse as a whole.
And they follow with some objection with the proposed draft. I can only comment on the 3rd one, it basically mean you need other channel of communication to manually compare fingerprint (i.e via Matrix/Signal) to make sure your activities on Emissary is actually encrypted, maybe lol.
Fediverse and Linux have to be the most unholy tech union in existence.
Fake journalists not even bothering to google that XMPP exists #10496839485.
This is about implementing E2EE directly into ActivityPub, so that has nothing to do with this.
I have a bit of an issue with the title, considering federated end to end encrypted messaging has existed since, at the latest, 1991.
What’s the messaging protocol?
Pgp is protocol agnostic, you can use it over email, xmpp, irc… Over pretty much anything that supports plugins.
It’s usually used for email tho.
I thought we already had Matrix
We do.
This is for activitypub DMs.
That’s what I mean.
The headline is a lie.No it’s not. Matrix isn’t part of the Fediverse. It doesn’t use ActivityPub and there is no interop with any other Fediverse service.
That doesn’t make Matrix bad, it just makes it it’s own thing.
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to be federated. Email is federated. Email isn’t ActivityPub. Matrix is no different.
If I say tacos coming soon, it doesn’t mean I invented tacos, just that there will be new tacos I guess
I heard this is the line for tacos.
Lines long as 2, and they only come three ways. Steak, cilantro, lime, cheese with your choice of sauce… Chicken chipotle mixed Mexican blend cheese, and cilantro lime, rice-cauliflower.
Sides are open as a bar, self serve.
I want beans and rice, no meat!
I’ll take one
i’m suddenly hungry for tacos
Then I charge you with naming you favorite genre at least. Barbacoa?
last time i had lamb barbacoa/arab kind of tacos was more than a decade ago and i still cherish that memory for a variety of reasons. not very common here though.
i will usually make chilli tacos for the relative simplicity of making them, when i’m already baking beans anyway.
That sounds delicious. I need more pitas in my life. Thoughts of shawarma always make me hungry.
But we already have tacos.
If you say “Tacos are coming soon”. And we already have tacos. I’d say “What do you mean? Tacos are already here. Do we need more tacos?”Do you just ask if we need more tacos? The answer is always yes… Where is your insatiable hunger?
Does Trump always chicken out though?
Waiting for pizza
Tacos become pizza toppings. Full size tacos, on top of your pizza.
If anyone ever asks “Do we need more tacos?” it becomes your responsibility to slap this individual. Because obviously yes. The answer is ALWAYS yes. Always more tacos. Always.
I, too, am often pissed at clickbaity, exaggerated, deliberately ambiguous headlines.
The subtitle makes it clear though: this is about ActivityPub, which has grown into the #1 federation protocol I guess.
Matrix is not really integrated into the ActivityPub protocol the same way DMs usually are. I would have to open a separate application to message you on Matrix, I can’t just click on your profile and shoot you a DM (or can I?).
You cannot, two totally different protocols
There you go. So I think adding DMs to ActivityPub would add an extra level of convenience
I mean, there’s nothing technically stopping one app supporting both protocols natively, especially since Lemmy already includes a field for people’s profiles to link their Matrix ID. Though to my knowledge none do it yet.
Sure, in the same way there is nothing stopping Lemmy from using ATProto. The problem is all competing standards and what the developer chooses to use.
ActivityPub is only one of a number of federated protocols.
One notably unsuited to instant messaging.
It’s not, the demo video actually shows that being one such use case. There’s nothing stopping anyone from writing a chat service in ActivityPub. But this can also apply to statuses, media, all kinds of other stuff.
And XMPP before it, even for e2ee messaging.
At least this is a slightly different use case.Matrix is a poor choice from a cryptographic perspective. With some serious issues historically (some of which are still unfixed to this day), and an extremely poor response to disclosures.
https://soatok.blog/2026/02/17/cryptographic-issues-in-matrixs-rust-library-vodozemac/
Matrix is decentralized but its not federating in a way like activity pub is doing
ActivityPub isn’t the only way to federate.
Matrix is federating the same way email does. Anyone can spin up their own server. And if they want anyone can spin up their own software. That’s what federation is. Different servers agreeing on how to communicate with each other.What??? I thought being part of Federation meant being part of the WORLD WRESTLING FEDERATION!
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No that’s decentralization, federating is when you can share the info natively outside the platform.
share the info natively outside the platform.
I’m not even sure that makes sense.
Federating is based on protocols not platforms. And what does it mean to share natively if not using the protocol?That’s a distinction that only matters to nerds.
Luckily most of us on here are nerds so it’s all good.
How so? It’s certainly very similar.
The matrix protocol enables federation between different instances running different homeservers between users using different clients.
But all those clients are matrix, not say some discord, some fluxer, some stoat, etc.
All activitypub platforms are activity pub. Also, matrix is a protocol, not a client. There’s tons of clients for matrix (element/element x being the main one).
Yes?
“Matrix” is the protocol.
The equivalent is ActivityPub, not discord, fluxer or stoat.
The Fediverse isn’t federated.
All those clients are ActivityPub, not say some Twitter, some Facebook, some Bluesky, etc.
How is that different?
What do you mean?
And what benefit justifies yet another standard?
In this day and age we need as many open source e2e encrypted alternatives as possible.
Matrix is a protocol, not an “App”. We would all benefit if everyone stopped doing their own thing, and started to push stuff for Matrix.
Huh? ActivityPub is also a protocol, now with this feature, why does that extra feature stop people from using Matrix?
Matrix has a list of specs, and ActivityPub has a different list, there may be some overlap but what’s the problem here?
Matrix does not connect natively to discord as an example, every user of a matrix protocol is still within matrix
Activitypub doesn’t connect natively to my toaster.
Sounds like you need to upgrade your toaster, noob.
So? Does anything connect to discord, legally and natively?
Can we fix nomadic actors ie one account all instances first please. Ffs its the 1 big issue with Activpub
Well now this sounds interesting. And I assume it’s open source?
🤯 That gave me pause. What made you ask (would non-FOSS even be an option for anything ActivityPub)?
It seems so, as the project (Emissary) is using the GNU Affero GPL.
Also XMPP with omemo?
Especially with the Movim client :)
@benpate@mastodon.technology that’s amazingly quick work after just under four weeks. I’m looking forward to the result.
MLS will eventually be included in all messengers.
It was initially introduced by Wire as an RFC, but they fumbled the federation by making it an enterprise only feature. Because of that, other messengers will do the federating for them. iMessage, Google Messenger, Matrix, and Germ DM (Bluesky) do or partly have it implemented.
We should always have more alternatives to chose from - good to see so many players.
Finally I can discuss my scat fetish with my fellow scat enthusiasts away from the prying eyes of the NSA!
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Scat fetish means you like scat singing, right? scatman
i came 😩
this will pair nicely with my shit fetish videos
Let’s gooooooo
But, what about Session? It’s decentralized, E2EE, uses Lokinet, seems pretty solid, no?
No phone, email, or other info needed to sign up
Major League Soccer messaging? Let’s goooo
