Is that Gavage Nuisance in the bottom picture?
Gruesome newsom
Its funny how people act as if kamala lost because she supported genocide
No lol, leftists hold miniscule power in electorate, kamala lost because she ran a shitty campaign and neo liberal economics will only make things worse for incumbent.
Some factors for losing:
- People were already salty that Biden even decided to run again, and then he forced a different candidate upon the voters.
- Status quo
- Woman
- Not white
- Zionism apologist
- Obviously dumb strategy to ditch the “weird” name calling, and placate the right.
- I not sure what to call it, but there is definitely an issue in our country of picking the “popular kid”, or “cool kid”
Her loss was a combination of many factors, including the support of genocidal Zionism. Do not ignore it.
I not sure what to call it, but there is definitely an issue in our country of picking the “popular kid”, or “cool kid”
Charisma matters more than it should.
MAGA are so soft, the “weird” moniker for their god emperor was one of the few things that was working well
Kamala lost because it was obvious from the beginning that she was a bad candidate whose only hope of becoming President was to be parachuted into the role via the 25th Amendment once Biden’s mental state truly deteriorated. Unfortunately for her and the DNC, Biden’s condition declined right as a key presidential debate rolled around, and his declining cognitive health became so utterly apparent that not even Reddit’s tyrannical cabal of power mods could cover it up anymore.
Before that debate, even merely suggesting that Biden was senile would have gotten you labelled a Nazi and banned from at least a dozen subreddits.
THAT is why she lost to a convicted felon.
Did you watch the debates between Biden and Trump. Biden was far more articulate and sane than trump, and it still wasn’t enough.
Both of them were clearly demented. Trump just making shit up and Biden interrupting him to mumble incoherently, ending in “We Beat Medicaid!”
Who said they were going to beat medicare and had an eyeball get bloody on stage?
Both were senile racist bastards, one has always been incoherent, one was more recently incoherent.
I voted for Kamala, but I was pissed we didn’t have a fucking primary. If we had a primary, we might have gotten Bernie on the ballot, or Elizabeth Warren, or Butegig, or anyone else. But instead Biden claimed to be running, then dropped out at the last minute so opps no time for primaries. I’m salty as hell that democrats didn’t get a choice. It felt deliberate and coordinated.
Whoopie, the man who promised to be one term ran for another just long enough to ensure no one actually got a say in who to run.
Certainly a mistake from the people who argued in court and won with it that they don’t have to have honest primaries.
neo libs must choose… either there is not enough progressives to demand a progressive candidate so they are not a large enough block to have changed the outcome OR they are large enough bloc to demand progressive cannidate and the democrats ignoring them cost them the election.
and they always pivot talking points
Schrodinger’s Left: small enough for Dems to ignore, large enough to make Dems lose
The enemy is both strong and weak.
There’s a reason actual leftists refer to these losers as “social fascists”
Liberals vastly prefer fascism to actual justice.
And then they get mad when you call it out with documentation, even directly quoting their political idols and their own words about what they support.
They just want the fascism done quietly in blue color than loudly in red.
It’s almost like they’re fascist lite…
It’s almost like Democrats are 2016 Republicans, which were fascist light…
I’m happy to see more progressives running but as a recent example, Madami, the Dems would have rather he lost than win even if it meant electing Trump. They’re the ones that put themselves in this position, now us.
They spent millions to keep him out, they hate winning if it means the rich lose $100.
The Gaza issue seems to have been pretty big
Also I don’t think voters appreciated having her shoved in at the last minute.
This. Democrats had no primary for presidential choice.
she was a candidate for 100 days leading up to the election, against a former president that had been campaigning non stop for
68 years at the point she joined the race. She was fucked over and thrown under a bus.I felt like she was a token black women as a VP, and not allowed to be any more than that. As much as the dems espouse equality its still a rich white man who is against universal healthcare running things.
DNC will throw an election before moving to the left.
As we’ve seen, repeatedly.
Also you guys are fucking idiots.
“If you don’t pick a better candidate then I’ll just let the one who wants concentration camps and to erase all of Palestine win”
Like, seriously, look at the big picture. Do you think Kamala who would have still supported Israel would have been worse for Gaza? It’s literally not possible. You guys fucked up the entire planet in your pride.
Now I’m not saying the DNC isn’t wrong, they’re fucking morons. But you guys just gave up on global warming, gay rights, trans rights, Gaza, any sembles of the environment, public health, the entire “justice” system, the courts, your immigrant neighbours, all people of colour in the US, and women’s rights.
I cannot express how much I fucking hate people like you right now.
Go ahead and downvote me. “But it’s not right”. Yeah? We’ll choosing to let this happen is leagues worse. You guaranteed the genecide in Gaza would be the worst it ever could be you fucking morons.
Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shit, but don’t fucking say there’s no difference between Kamala and Trump.
This continues to be the stupidest, least productive way to think about elections. The lesser of two evils argument may be true, but it failed to motivate people to vote for Kamala in 2024 (or Hillary in 2016, for that matter). You can bitch about protest votes or an apathetic electorate all you want, but at the end of the day, you don’t win elections if you don’t get votes, and, “yEaH, bUt TrUmP iS wOrSe,” didn’t get votes. If the Democrats once again run a candidate who doesn’t reflect their base and once again lose the election, it will once again be their fault for repeating a losing strategy that produces losing candidates.
But you can bet when they lose they’ll blame everyone else in the room but themselves. I don’t think the neo-liberals of the party realize how much bad blood they’ve been generating.
They know, thats why every discussion revolving politics to the left of the republicans devolves into “what the fuck you gonna do, vote republican?”
Abuser mentality. Hostage politics. No democracy to be had here. All this could be ended in every blue state controlled by the democrats by passing electoral reform. By replacing First-past-the-post voting and doing away with the spoiler effect that keeps 3rd parties from having equal access to our elections.
But the democrats are uninterested in democracy. They want safe states and elections versus evil cartoon characters. And they will have them, no matter the cost to the United States of America.
Its much harder to campaign against a group of people who all have much more then just a concept of a plan. Capitalists hate competition.
It’s getting hard to tell if they even want to win. Even a year ago it might be plausible to argue that centrism is a smart strategy, but at this point, with victories like Mamdani and Mejia, it’s just demonstrably wrong. Hell, Platner is still leading Mills in Maine even after the whole, “having a Nazi tattoo,” thing. If the Democrats are still pursuing centrism going into 2028, then they have to admit they would prefer losing to fascists than adding progressives to their tent.
I cannot express how much I fucking hate people like you right now
Yes because this is about your emotions and needing a satisfying story to direct your anger at, not reality.
I’m just pissed off we let America have so much power over the world as it is. They’re one country, for fuck sake, not the World Police.
Silver lining: Trump just killed that role like a newborn baby in lake Michigan.
I think the argument is that voting for status quo candidates aren’t actually getting us those things, either. And any small incremental gains are quickly reverted the next time republicans are in power.
I think the argument is that voting for status quo candidates aren’t actually getting us those things, either. And any small incremental gains are quickly reverted the next time republicans are in power.
And you can only believe that if you ignore every bit of progress that has stuck around in the last thirty years.
Progress isn’t a straight line up. Like anything else it dips and wobbles. But it consistently moves upward.
Yeah there are always going to be things to make progress on. But to pretend that we are not in a better place on some of those issues now than we were thirty years ago is bafflingly silly.
As an example: In 1996, support for same-sex marriage was so low that congress passed and Clinton signed the Defense of Marriage Act, allowing states to ignore same-sex marriage licenses from other states in direct violation of the full faith and credit clause of the Constitution, and this was widely supported by the American people. In 2023, over 70% of Americans supported gay marriage while only 22% opposed. That number has dipped since, but not by much. In 2025, it was 68% support (88% of Democrats, 76% of Independents, and 41% of Republicans) while 29% opposed it.
That is an issue on which the American people have made significant progress. That progress hasn’t evaporated with alternating administrations. It ebbs and flows like literally everything, but over time it has improved.
Most are like this. Not all! Certainly some things consistently get worse, like wealth inequality. But to act like everything simply flip-flops between parties and that the Democrats are simply a ratchet that maintains the status quo and doesn’t let anything change just to let the next Republican make it worse is flat-out wrong.
Are Democrats largely spineless corporate shills? Yeah. But are they just as bad as Republicans? Fuck no. Go vote in primaries. Support candidates who will actually push for change. Giving up is pathetic.
Thank God the progress understander has logged on to explain why it was good, actually, that the Democrats banned gay marriage
I’m not sure if I completely follow.
Bill Clinton passed a law defining marriage between a man and a woman. And you are saying this is an example of progress made by a centrist candidate. Isn’t this the law doing the opposite, here?
And you are saying that Gavin Newsom, who has spoken out against trans rights, can do something similar? Like assuming he does the same thing, like pass a “Defense of gender” bill to allow other states to not recognize gender transitions.
Are you saying he will bring progress this way?
He’s saying that we’ve made progress in the 30 years since then, using that as an example of past public opinion.
And Newsom is an example of things ebbing, but the line of progress for trans rights has absolutely gone up overall.
Really cause we can’t have passports anymore
i’m glad i’m not the only one shitting on 3rd party/abstainers every chance i get. high and mighty morality police, usually saying shit like “kamala was always going to lose” while simultaneously trying to push the 100% guaranteed fail action of 3rd party or sitting out.
whether they’re actually russian propaganda trolls or not hardly matters–they’re shit human beings either way
On the other hand, this is a fine time for this conversation. We do have roughly a year to find a candidate that’s not fucking Newsom just because he could meme for a minute.
I don’t mind a few memes in our politics, but I do want there to be some kind of substance under the memes. And not the substance Magats have found under theirs, 💩.
no. this shit is the reason we’re in this situation, innocent citizens getting rounded up, deported, murdered. because so many people wanted to moralize, “vote their conscience,” “wE dIdNt GeT a PrImArY”…whatthefuckever, while the rest of us were shouting that everyone’s top priority needs to be keeping trump out of the white house.
so again: if it ends up that newsom, or harris, or a fucking lobotomized muskrat ends up being the candidate–VOTE FOR THE FUCKING MUSKRAT instead of trump, or 3rd party, or, ffs sitting out
i will die on this hill. you might too
“wE dIdNt GeT a PrImArY"
Standards are low.
How do you think we got trump in the first place? Democrats kept moving to the right and making things worse until a candidate like trump could seize the moment. So yeah, you will die on that hill because it was a hill built by voting the “lesser of two evils” while both parties moved to be more evil, until we’ve got the current level of evil we have now.
Agreed. But I’m not going to publicly endorse a dead-end DNC loser before it’s necessary. The DNC needs to act like people aren’t required to vote for them and field a candidate that can actually win votes.
WRONG!
You hype the Dems in public every chance you get.
The GOP once elected a dead pimp because they don’t care.
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They literally do think everything that’s happened under Trump would have been the same under Kamala.
They are deeply unserious people who have no ambitions for politics and care only about purity-testing.
Gaza would have been worse, because Netanyahu would have kept up the bombing.
However, Kamala would never have defunded USAID, so those million and a half people who are dying right now from starvation and disease would be alive.
So, honestly, not voting for Kamala was a bad idea.
But it’s still because of the DNC corporate donors that Trump is in office right now, because they refuse to allow the people a progressive alternative.
Blame is pointless. I am talking about what needs to change. Shouting at reluctant third party voters will do nothing but raise your blood pressure.
Campaigning for the downfall of Chuck Schumer, there’s a worthy cause.
Blame isn’t pointless. If you don’t blame people they’ll never feel responsibility. Not unlike a spoiled child who is never told they’ve fucked up.
Assigning responsibility is how people grow. It’s vitally important and blame for abdicating it is part of that.
That is something that people only understand at their own pace. Being shouted at, shamed by others, tends to reinforce the problem. It makes them defensive.
I get that venting can make the people who were right feel better, but that’s usually all it does.
For a good example, the left have been right about the problems in the DNC since 2015, and it has not helped whenever we point this out. Shouting at conservative Democrats has only made them more defensive, and alienated both sides from each other.
As usual, the solution is hard. Work towards building power and organisation from the bottom up, and don’t waste time hoping that the people who benefit from this mess will magically decide to do the right thing. I wish I hadn’t wasted so much time doing that.
Focus on what people need, pick three or four straightforward policies, and do everything you can to push those forward and promote your sincere effort to do so.
Don’t accept any funding from groups who want things you do not want, because that funding will be a chain holding you back.
Don’t lie.
Don’t. Lie.
People, the ones you want support from, aren’t fucking stupid. Don’t lie.
Yeah…
To the people “wanting to teach the DNC a lesson”, in the nicest way possible, you’re fucking idiots.
They threw literally ever other minority group under the bus, and got absolutely nothing for it - if anything they actually got less than nothing, because Trump wasn’t just going soft on Israel, he was actively cheering them on!
I will never understand the mentality of choosing that hill to die on… Like couldn’t you guys have waited until Trump was at least off the board first.
Man was literally on his way to a lifetime in jail and bankruptcy, that he got out of scot-free because you guys decided 2024 was the time for a protest vote.
We had the chance to get rid of Trump forever and the tankies blew it
Wasn’t the chance to get rid of trump immediately after January 6th? Are you calling Biden a tanky?
Yes! Primaries primaries primaries.
Go and primary every single DNC candidate that isn’t good enough, get better democratic candidates wherever you can. Put even more energy into primaries than into the election itself! But when the decision comes down to Churchill or Hitler, you better vote for fucking Churchill.
Everything else is just throwing the minorities and the future under the bus as a cost of doing business.
https://sourcenews.scot/analysis-5-of-the-worst-crimes-of-winston-churchill/
Churchill is probably viewed as worse than Hitler in parts of the world for good reason.
I think a lot of the argument against voting for lesser evil is the acceleration aspect. It’s advocating for a quicker fall of the American empire
Accelerationism is a great idea.
I don’t care how many people die now, because it will bring a glorious time in the future.
Accelerationism is Christianity with Lenin replacing Jesus
Except the Armageddon is real but no-one will rise up to save us when every major city is nothing but glowing embers under an ever gray nuclear sky while the remnants of humanity fight each other with sticks over the last grain silos.
So-called American “revolutionaries” make me sick with their reckless disregard for the unavoidable responsibility their country has with regards to their military. An “accelerated downfall” won’t just affect you bozos. Especially not if the means are “stoking the fire of imperialism”.
If I could press a button to accelerate the US downfall and magically contain the fighting to the lower 48 in a way that leaves whoever is left standing nuke-less, I would, but that’s not an option on the table, so barring that, please vote against the guy who really can’t be trusted with the nuclear briefcase, yeah???
Harris chose to lose the most winnable election in history because Democrats know they can punish voters for being disloyal simply by allowing Republicans to win. If you demand too much from Democrats they will throw the election. It’s essentially a hostage situation, you must give unconditional support to the Good Cop or the Bad Cop will beat you to death. You don’t want the Bad Cop, do you?
If we don’t abolish this system we’re all going to die.
I take issue with your use of the adjective “good” in “good cop”.
No matter how it might appear, the DNC didn’t fucking throw the election. Jesus Christ, who upvotes this shit?
Terminally online leftists need to get out and touch grass. No party will ever pander to you because not only is your bloc essentially nonexistent in the US, but you literally have no fucking idea how any of this shit actually works in real life.
If you think that the Democratic party is losing elections on purpose as a “fuck you” to voters, you are delusionally stupid.
Ableist Liberal poster named “prole” trying to lecture leftists about politics. Perfect. No notes.
They refuse to campaign on popular policies even when it increases their chances of losing because it doing otherwise would anger their donors. They know it might cause them to lose. It’s purposeful. What else do you call that?
The only other reasonable explanation is that they’re too stupid and don’t know how to win elections.
If you think that the Democratic party are stupid, you are delusional.
Only a moron would have looked at the two options we had and not picked Harris.
Was she a good candidate? Actually yes if you look at her Senate voting history. She was closer to Sanders than any other senator. She also, as VP, supported investigating Israel so they could bypass the law requiring us to give support.
Did she run a good campaign? Absolutely not. But, she basically had no time to actually run one. She needed money, fast, so she softened her stance on some things to secure it.
Was it a bad move? Yes. Was it a bad enough move to let Donald “I’m going to be a dictator on day one and you’ll never have to vote again” Trump win? Absolutely not.
Are you seriously citing Senate voting history for what makes a good candidate? This is why liberals lose. They simply don’t have the sauce.
We’re also a country made of idiots who as soon as we see somebody telling us shit we don’t want to hear we throw a tantrum and lose all ability to rationalize.
The DNC is an evil organization that is propping up a genocide and is mostly responsible to the whims of corporations. But that is because the DNC is essentially controlled by a group of republicans.
Harris ran a shit campaign because Joe Biden should have retired earlier and there should have been a big primary. This goes back to the 2020 election where Biden was basically propped up by the DNC and it turns out they propped up a senile old man with cancer.
Like any reasonable democrat running for office now should be saying we should put more democrats voters into the DNC and push out lobbyists.
Do you think you’re going to be able to reason with someone who literally just said that the Democrats threw the election on purpose because online leftists “demanded too much”?
Do online leftists hold any significant number?
OK, but she didn’t have time to run a better campaign because a lot of influential people (Harris included) in the Democratic party decided it was better to hide Biden’s deteriorating condition than confront it.
Does this seem like the actions of a party that genuinely considers Trump an existential threat?
A longer campaign would have made Harris perform worse.
They (the Biden admin) purposefully withheld polling data that showed he had 0 chance to win, him and Kamala. Rather than attempt to find a candidate who would be popular in the general, they canceled the primaries.
Biden admin all but promised they would run 1 term in 2020, it was strictly an anti trump ticket in a post-covid world that was sick of him.
Trump was very simply a more popular candidate in 2024 who ran a much better campaign that wasn’t hamstrung by NOT talking about Palestine, the biggest news story at the time. People entirely forgot how bad he ratfucked us on covid, they remembered the name on the checks.
Any facist who follows that playbook within the general election will do the same, especially if there’s a opposition that quite literally knew they would lose and ran anyway. American elections are a joke because the American populace is fully captured by advertising and thus remain uneducated and ignorant.
Kamala could have won if Biden left later. Her best performance was immediately after he stepped down because they kept her from talking the entire Biden campaign (she was very unpopular). The second she had time to talk it was over, Kamala is a bad public speaker and terrible on the spot.
I’ll even tell you the moment she lost it. When she said the wall was a good idea on national television to Anderson Cooper. That was it. American elections are a popularity contest, we (the American populace) don’t take them seriously.
American elections are a popularity contest, we (the American populace) don’t take them seriously
That rather conveniently runs cover for the organization that does the most to decide what kind of campaign is run.
Like, oooh millions of people are disorganized and stupid. Shocker, Mr. Sherlock. But the small, powerful node of party leadership is also stupid and disorganized. That’s actually much more of pressing concern than, lol americans dumb
Americans are dumb because the system works as designed. The rich remove value, the populace feels like they have a say in things when really the decisions are made for them at a much higher level.
The party leadership isn’t stupid, the parties themselves act like corporations with diffusive responsibilities and agendas that lead to the same ends, the party leadership is agenda driven on maintaining power. Much like the party is.
The state of American voters and voting is a result that was arrived at on purpose. The populace doesn’t actually have any power in this representative democracy at the highest levels. It’s pure oligarchy.
The DNC isn’t stupid, it’s evil.
I completely agree
The DNC isn’t stupid, it’s evil.
except for this. Two things can be true at once.
Lmao fair!
Does it matter? By voting 3rd party or abstaining you didn’t hurt the DNC. It hurt everyone else in the country and in other countries we provided aid to. Cuba and Venezuela too.
The presidential election isn’t the time for protest voting when the opposition is literally telling you that you won’t ever get to vote again.
You want to hurt the DNC? Do it in the primaries.
Does this seem like the actions of a party that genuinely considers Trump an existential threat?
Does it matter?
OK, so we’re gonna quibble over 3rd party voters again, and just dismiss the fact that DNC leadership doesn’t take this seriously. Great.
So do you think abstaining or protest voting 3rd party made them take it seriously? Did they change their tune when they lost? Do you honestly think the country is better for Trump beating Harris?
I’m not saying the DNC is flawless; I think it needs to go down in flames. But I’m also not stupid and understand the concept of prioritization.
Well that’s funny, since you’re not actually prioritizing well. Talking about 3rd-party/abstaining voters is a wasted effort. You reach those people with broad, national messaging. The kind you and I, on a dinky little not-reddit, don’t have access to.
You really gonna stop and have this conversation with each and every individual you assume didn’t vote Harris? You think that’s gonna move the needle? In an electoral environment measured in the hundred millions? That’s not a very effective use of your limited rhetorical time.
Why not prioritize getting the Democrats to actually take this seriously, to run a campaign that activates non-voters?
Only an idiot would look at the two options and not choose Harris. She wasn’t a great candidate, but she was orders of magnitude better than the alternative.
The time to protest vote is in the primaries.
The primaries are run by the DNC, you silly goose!
The time to protest vote is in the primaries.
There were primaries?
The DNC didn’t allow us to protest vote though… they forced Biden, he proved too feeble, forced Harris, who backed Isreal, and then (yet a-fucking-gain) saw a weak voter turnout. I voted for the lesser of two evils, while holding my nose, like I needed to… but the rest of the country hates women and is too stupid to know what’s in our conjoined best-interest.
The dnc has been totally out to lunch since at least 2012. Shit I’m at a point I’d be happy to see a good Republican candidate, u ever listen to George Bush talking when he was in office? The goal posts have moved so far right he sounds like a democratic leftie by todays standards.
It really fucks with your mind doesn’t it? I’m not even THAT old, and even I recall when Republicans were slightly more left than modern Democrats.
It was in 2008, DNC went hard on fucking over Obama, and rather than reform the DNC when he won, he washed his hands of them. Now we’re here, with a group that cares more about controlling the field of candidates rather than winning a general election.
The DNC wanted the win of “first black president” and never wanted to push for polices to allow another one to happen.
There was a primary, just no one of any relevance ran against Biden because he was the incumbent and that’s the way we have always done it. I’m pretty sure I voted against Biden to make a point. Did you?
The DNC can’t actually force anything. They didn’t want Bernie running at all. They didn’t want AOC making every other Dem look like a conservative. They really didn’t want Zohran to show people that leftists can win. But all those things happened.
The expression “Democrats have once again snatched defeat from the jaws of victory” is sadly accurate, for the wrong reasons.
Imagine a group thinking Palestine swung the needle at all on US elections. ROFL…
That is getting close to “flat earth” level of denial.
Kamela ran a horrible, lame, corporate platform.
Kamela ran a horrible, lame, corporate platform.
And in a reasonable world this wouldn’t have mattered. People are unreasonable.
Politics has always been a popularity contest? Did you not learn this in your grade school student council elections? You’re whining about human nature. People need to be inspired. They don’t give a shit about someone’s Senate voting record.
So we’re just going to hash this out every single day for the next 2 years, huh?
Edit: I do find it interesting how many replies to this comment are vague enough that you can’t determine which side of this argument they’re on, but I guess I did start it myself.
As long as the neo-liberal leaders of the Democrats continue to play the same games with the left as they have been since before I can vote, yes, we’ll have to run into this argument every single damn time elections come up. When they decide to embrace progressive policies instead of just jigging the bait for the leftists to get their votes. When the Dems win, they didn’t need the left. When they lose, it’s all the left’s fault. I’m not playing that sadistic little game anymore.
whether you agree with them or not, shaming and ridiculing them is not going to make them agree with you.
I agree completely. Though I personally practice harm reduction at the ballot box, I don’t believe that brow-beating people who express a reluctance to vote for a lesser evil into practicing harm reduction is an effective means of garnering their vote. Though it’s easy to become frustrated with non-voters or third-party voters and place the blame on them for fascism taking over, the responsibility is really spread across the whole population, and most importantly our electeds and party officials who have consistently failed to present a positive and opposing narrative to the fascists.
The older I get the more relevant this scene from ‘Life Of Brian’ becomes.
“Leftists” that were saying this knowingly support trump. They’re accelrrationist who want conditions to get so bad that their ideas actually seem good.
Harris was a good candidate her platform was progressive and pragmatic. There was very very little to complain about with her. Thats why the right and “left” had to work extra hard to undermine her. Look at how hard all the .ml on this site were working pre election to convince people not to vote. It was insane, any post that was positive about biden or Harris of waltz was met with a barrage of insane accusation and misinfo.
But i dont think the left undermining dems was a deciding factor. I think it was rights pro trump narrative that was way to strong. Trump dominated every media space. If you were in male spaces pro trump quips were fucking everywhere you’d be watching a YouTuber who was non political for 10years then suddenly he would say something like “but trumps economy was damn good” or something about biden beinf asleep at the wheel. That stuff influences voters more than political ads and old media celebs.
There was very very little to complain about with her.
- Promising full military support to a settler colony currently committing a genocide using US weapons
- Campaigning with fucking Cheneys and pandering to fascists
- Not promising any actual support for trans people, stopping at “I will follow the law”
- Abandoning universal healthcare push
- Not being actually voted on by anyone, instead just appointed by DNC
- Most importantly: she’s a neolib, and the working class has been suffering materially due to neolib policies for the past 50 years, people want change
There is a shitton to complain about her. If you are knowingly pushing the idea she was a good candidate you’re a genocide enabler.
I would’ve voted for her if I was in the US (because the alternative is slightly worse in many ways). But, moral qualms aside, it’s crazy to just shove a status-quo establishment neoliberal and expect people who are surviving paycheck-to-paycheck due to that very ideology to be excited about it.
Well not voting for her and burning Gaza sure taught them…
They’re accelrrationist who want conditions to get so bad that their ideas actually seem good.
I’ve seen this claim made a few times before, and it’s never accompanied by a shred of evidence.
Have you ever been to a tankie instance here on lemmy? You should try and broaden your horizons, because it sounds like you are arguing from ignorance.
LOL, the sole one single point I made in my post is that I only ever see assertions without evidence, and your response is a bit of handwaving and an ad hominem. Thanks for demonstrating my point so perfectly.
What evidence would you like?
Literally anything other than bad faith conspiracy-theory assertions, please.
If leftists don’t vote again they will never ore again, so it’s fine. People that didn’t vote made the genocide much worst.
Purity checks never work and never will only makes things worse.So your solution is to help the people even less, and embrace even more republican policy? And think that can win an election?
Let’s flip that over.
Leftists, you have two years to put forth an incredibly well-funded candidate that’s more palatable to the ultra-rich, corporate sponsors, left, and the right than the DNC/RNC candidates. You need more than 50% by a decent margin because they’re not going to let you in, you need half the boomers and genexers and youngbloods out there to write in a name.
OR
Once again, you’ll be here figuring out weather you’d rather vote for DNC or not at all and let RNC take us for another ride.
We did, several times, the last time he had a real chance and the DNC conspired against him. Try it fucking again neo-lib.
We did, several times,
You did not.
- incredibly well funded palatable to :
- ultra-rich
- corporations
- left
- right
Bernie hit +2 at best. And among the historic independent options, he’s been by far the best.
If you’re trying to get them into the DNC, that’s never going to happen. You’re never going to get an actual choice in the DNC pick. They don’t need to conspire. They can simply say now.
You need an independent that’s better than 50% popular. You’re not getting that with a +2.
It’s honestly probably a unicorn, maybe a pegasus.
We’re pretty screwed until we replace what’s here with something real and fair. But you’re not getting that through half measures or by not voting.
And comes the purity testing. We didn’t put forward a perfect candidate so throw him out. Same as it ever was.
What you just said makes no sense in putting together an independent candidate. How does an independent candidate get thrown out?
Because there’s no way to run independent in the USA with first past the poll. Though Bernie is independent, he caucuses with the Democrats and when he looked to be winning the primary they pulled the rug out from under him and you neo-liberals have been walking around like the proverbial pigeon on the chess board.
Ah, yes, the DNC, famous for having worked out so well in steering the party away from being nigh-indistinguishable from their main opposition. An excellent position from which to mock those dissatisfied with, let me check my notes, ah yes, how the DNC itself shat the bed in the last elections.
So you want me to vote for the RNC? You’re throwing out mixed signals here. You… happy wither where we are?
No, you want to play this dumb game of Schröndinger’s leftists, where we are simultaneously a group too small to merit making any concessions to, yet also such a massive force that our not voting for Dems apparently decides elections all on their own, thus fair grounds to single out for extra scolding this go around of it. I’m just pointing out the DNC leadership is suspiciously holding pistols of the same caliber as the weapons that put those nice holes in their feet. We got here with them insisting they know what their constituents really want better than even the constituents themselves do, and it worked out swimmingly for them the last go of it.
I’m calling you out specifically for engaging in such stupid and disingenuous activity with your nonsensical flip. The DNC are not the last bastion of political genius in this country, and managing to lose the last election should be an indictment of their strategies and platforms employed. Going to the right to become the GOP-lite didn’t work, so obviously, the solution is to browbeat leftists and whip out some non sequitur about them raising their own candidate with the funds to beat the entrenched political establishment, rather than maybe considering for even a fraction of a second that the DNC’s own strategies and their tendency to cave and give the GOP everything they want on a platter while also gaslighting constituents about key factors like how well the economy is doing might have a tiny bit to do with their inability to win elections or get policy pushed through.
But yes, it’s the leftist who have ruined everything by not voting for Kamala last go of it. Just a thought, but if any single group is so powerful as to singlehandedly decide the outcome of national elections like the blue MAGA brigade has been whining about leftists doing on here since the elections finished, wouldn’t it make a bit more sense to actually listen to those people and throw them a bone on occasion? But no, it’s clearly the leftists fault for not waiting their turn when Kamala had seniority in the party, and they need to be punished and ridiculed further, even if it costs the Democrats more elections.
I didn’t say any of that
I said
Leftists, you have two years to put forth an incredibly well-funded candidate that’s more palatable to the ultra-rich, corporate sponsors, left, and the right than the DNC/RNC candidates. You need more than 50% by a decent margin because they’re not going to let you in, you need half the boomers and genexers and youngbloods out there to write in a name.
OR
Once again, you’ll be here figuring out weather you’d rather vote for DNC or not at all and let RNC take us for another ride.
Tell me where I went wrong specifically
I’m sorry to learn your inability to parse meaning from text extends to even text you yourself wrote. Maybe you should seek treatment.
The text you quoted essentially absolves the Democrats and DNC of all responsibility, placing the onus on leftists to either put together someone with enough money and backing to displace the entrenched political parties who dominate our politics, or shut up and take whatever is offered by the DNC lest they become the new whipping boy, yet again. You’re already gearing up to blame leftists for the DNC tossing the next election, and you don’t even know who their candidates will be, or what platform they will run on. 2028 could be the corpse of Nancy Pelosi running on how mean people are to Israel, and shouldn’t we let them just massacre a bit more to vent some stress, and you’ve already laid the groundwork to blame leftists if they don’t fall in line to vote for the DNC with your asinine “flip” or the original image, which conveniently absolves the DNC of any responsibility for their own repeated failures to win elections.
Have the republicans even bothered to give a name for 2028?
Just like the musk/trump split was visible miles away, any figure running for president after trump will inevetably be shit on by trump and his media aparatus because of his narcissitic insecurities.
The best thing that could happen for republicans right now is trump dying because its only going to get more costly to not lick those dress shoes.
Elections are not the time and place for democracy, that’s some tankie shit. If you want to make your voice heard, do it any other time. Not during elections. It’s just not right.
Ahh yes, now is not the time to discuss about school shootings. Let’s wait until things calm down. Then things never calm down and it’s the next one. Oh sorry, I got your argument confused withe another, my bad.
I am sorry but if people still think the Palestinian conflict is the end-all and be-all of where the state of the world goes, much less, where America goes. Then they’re no better than the single-minded voters that helped the Republicans win twice.
There will ALWAYS and I mean ALWAYS be conflict going on over the Middle-East with everyone there. It is NEVER-ENDING. We’ve wasted nearly 20 years dicking around with Afghanistan and Iraq. All for what? So the Taliban can take over territory in less than a week after all that effort? What a waste!
What we needed to do and should have done was hold Israel accountable and not fund them anymore. If to them, makes us look anti semitic, then so what? They’re the aggressors, they’re the ones being tyrannical bastards right now and if they can’t see that then it’s their problem they need to sort out or don’t. Whatever floats their little boat.
But also, we have so much shit to fix here that it’ll be a bit until we get there. We’ve already squandered telling Israel to stop their shit.
“There is always war in the Middle East [until America is destroyed].”
Fixed that for you, Liberal.
“There’s always never-ending conflict in the middle east” is a rather convenient position to take for the globe-spanning military super-power that’s been meddling in the region for more than half a century.
Must be a bold response from someone who presumably never took history lessons and learned about the history of that region. Educate yourself.
I have pointed to the history, and your response is to say “nuh huh read more”
I find it funny how many people do seem to believe that the US or the EU funds Israel. Clearly clueless about the Israeli super resilient economy…
The EU is indeed the biggest funder of Gaza and that seems to give it exactly zero influence there :/
The US does fund Israel
What pisses me off is that America won’t let its citizens have single payer yet we fund it for Israel
Every fascist regime in history has gained power in part because the left was too busy infighting to resist.
True, but your comment seems to ignore the fact that leftism is the only resistance to fascism. Liberalism and civility politics have historically paved the way for fascism, and the same pattern is proving true in the modern era.
We need leftist solidarity to defeat the evils of liberalism and fascism.
Notice the Leftist in this image is purity-testing and making demands while doing nothing themselves?
Pretty accurate meme!
We are currently 3 years before the next presidential election. This is the time to purity test.
God forbid anyone want clean drinking water.
God forbid you do anything but whine about how the Republicans and Democrats are the same.
Oh, I don’t do that.
I’m currently edging for Trump to be flayed alive inside some state prison and the Democrats are preventing me from finishing.
Lovely how not actively supporting and funding a genocide is a purity test now. Beautiful stuff.
Keep both-sidesing. Maga loves it.
Don’t bother actually doing anything to get a candidate elected. Just complain about dems.
This is just absolutely wild to me. Just true unfiltered insanity. The democrats literally sent 50B in military aid to a nation that is literally committing a genocide, and if someone complains about this your reactions to effectively say “geeze complain much?”. I truly, fundamentally, do not understand how a human can have that response. It just does not compute. The only thing I can think of is that you actually don’t believe there is a genocide, or that the democrats didn’t fund it. But that too seems so far fetched, because these are both so easy to verify. None of it adds up
This is the typical neo-liberal, you can’t actually argue with them just like a MAGAt.
if someone complains about this your reactions to effectively say “geeze complain much?”.
If all they do is complain and equate Kamala and Trump, then yeah, fuck those people.
