I feel like you’re just trolling, but fine. Realism is seeing everything as it is, not as one wants it to be. So that makes you kinda contradict yourself. Realism can’t be oppressive. A fantasy is oppresive to reality as it draws sharp borders. Sonic is a fantasy, but that fantasy is real. In this context, in this box it is made to reside in.
No, realism is the belief that there exists an objective truth to the nature of the universe, independent of our perceptions. I’m an antirealist; I oppose the belief in objective truth. The belief in objective truth has motivated various evils such as race realism (the belief that race is objective), capitalist realism (the belief that capitalism is objective), gender essentialism (the belief that gender is objective), and religious realism (the belief that one’s particular religion is objective). I oppose all of these. I think we should abolish the idea of an objective universe, because no one universe is big enough in concept to fit everyone’s identities.
the one objective universe is already big enough to fill everyone’s identities AND everything else. That’s why we call it the universe :-)
If there’d be no objective truth we can ALL see, experience and share, you’d not be sitting at a computer now and chat with me.
The existence of a reality outside your wishes doesn’t mean there’s a correlation between racism (and all the other evils you mentioned and more) and reality.
Also it’s no matter of “belief”. It just is. It is beyond my judgement and beyond my control. Yet i’m neither a racist, nor an ablist or whichever -ism you want. And i also despise religion and capitalism.
Why should any of those things be objective or subjective? we define them, as a society, and be done with it. We all know what capitalism is.
Donald Hoffman performed thousands of experiments examining the evolutionary roots of perception. He created a simulated world and populated it with organisms that accurately perceive the world, and organisms that only perceive fitness payoffs.
Fitness always beats truth. Organisms that perceive objective reality always go extinct. That includes our distant primordial ancestors. Perceiving objective reality is a waste of resources, it’s inefficient. That’s why we don’t. Like Hoffman’s fitness perceiving organisms, we perceive fitness payoffs, not objective reality. Things like objects, spacetime, colour, see just artefacts of our simplified perceptual interface. They’re not objective reality.
A lot of fancy words to say…nothing.
Of course we’re bound by our limited senses. Yet your subjective reality is the same as mine and everyone else’s. Otherwise there’d be no internet where you could say such things. And if we all perceive the same subjective reality, it kinda is our species’ objective reality. Everything beyond that is great for a philosophical discussion that ultimately leads to nowhere :)
No, My subjective reality isn’t the same as yours. They share some features, such as the internet. But they’re very different in other respects. For example, I respect otherkin. Otherkin are those whose species identity is different than human. It comes down to a difference in the brain, same as being trans. Since I’m an antirealist who values respect for identity over the social construct of species, I choose to perceive otherkin as they wish to be perceived. I spent time training Myself to be able to rewrite My perceptions so that I could perceive people as they wish to be perceived with less effort.
That does have nothing much to do with reality. I have no problems with trans-people or even otherkins (which i never met btw).
Of course not all our hardware works 100% identical, but that doesn’t change reality of the hardware being mostly the same :-)
I really fail to see your connection between being open-minded towards others and being “antirealist”. The trans-brain isn’t different from any one else’s. The gender-dysphoria in it is. Still has no influence on respect. At least it SHOULD not have.
Let Me ask a question, and I think this question will help you understand what I’m talking about. If you met a monkey-kin at an ice cream social, having initially perceived them to have a human body, would you upon being properly introduced, hypnotise yourself into seeing a monkey tail behind them?
Well, why should I do that? And why would i? What benefit was gained for the monkeyman or me?
Though I would be amazed by my fantasy if I could actually pull that off.
Do you do that? And, haven’t not yet met or even heard of someone identifying as a monkey (or anything else nonhuman), I would have a lot of questions. And I mean actually identifying as such, not just larping as a furry or doing it as some kind of kink.
Anyhow, it would still not really make a strong point as to being “anti reality”. First, you knew before you’d hypnotize yourself, it is objectively a human. As a monkey couldn’t even tell you it is one. It just is.
I would classify that as an incredible Fantasy (not meant in a condescending way!) But not an opposition to reality. A wide opened mind with a fantastic imagination. That.
I feel like you’re just trolling, but fine. Realism is seeing everything as it is, not as one wants it to be. So that makes you kinda contradict yourself. Realism can’t be oppressive. A fantasy is oppresive to reality as it draws sharp borders. Sonic is a fantasy, but that fantasy is real. In this context, in this box it is made to reside in.
No, realism is the belief that there exists an objective truth to the nature of the universe, independent of our perceptions. I’m an antirealist; I oppose the belief in objective truth. The belief in objective truth has motivated various evils such as race realism (the belief that race is objective), capitalist realism (the belief that capitalism is objective), gender essentialism (the belief that gender is objective), and religious realism (the belief that one’s particular religion is objective). I oppose all of these. I think we should abolish the idea of an objective universe, because no one universe is big enough in concept to fit everyone’s identities.
the one objective universe is already big enough to fill everyone’s identities AND everything else. That’s why we call it the universe :-)
If there’d be no objective truth we can ALL see, experience and share, you’d not be sitting at a computer now and chat with me. The existence of a reality outside your wishes doesn’t mean there’s a correlation between racism (and all the other evils you mentioned and more) and reality. Also it’s no matter of “belief”. It just is. It is beyond my judgement and beyond my control. Yet i’m neither a racist, nor an ablist or whichever -ism you want. And i also despise religion and capitalism. Why should any of those things be objective or subjective? we define them, as a society, and be done with it. We all know what capitalism is.
Donald Hoffman performed thousands of experiments examining the evolutionary roots of perception. He created a simulated world and populated it with organisms that accurately perceive the world, and organisms that only perceive fitness payoffs.
Fitness always beats truth. Organisms that perceive objective reality always go extinct. That includes our distant primordial ancestors. Perceiving objective reality is a waste of resources, it’s inefficient. That’s why we don’t. Like Hoffman’s fitness perceiving organisms, we perceive fitness payoffs, not objective reality. Things like objects, spacetime, colour, see just artefacts of our simplified perceptual interface. They’re not objective reality.
A lot of fancy words to say…nothing. Of course we’re bound by our limited senses. Yet your subjective reality is the same as mine and everyone else’s. Otherwise there’d be no internet where you could say such things. And if we all perceive the same subjective reality, it kinda is our species’ objective reality. Everything beyond that is great for a philosophical discussion that ultimately leads to nowhere :)
No, My subjective reality isn’t the same as yours. They share some features, such as the internet. But they’re very different in other respects. For example, I respect otherkin. Otherkin are those whose species identity is different than human. It comes down to a difference in the brain, same as being trans. Since I’m an antirealist who values respect for identity over the social construct of species, I choose to perceive otherkin as they wish to be perceived. I spent time training Myself to be able to rewrite My perceptions so that I could perceive people as they wish to be perceived with less effort.
That does have nothing much to do with reality. I have no problems with trans-people or even otherkins (which i never met btw). Of course not all our hardware works 100% identical, but that doesn’t change reality of the hardware being mostly the same :-) I really fail to see your connection between being open-minded towards others and being “antirealist”. The trans-brain isn’t different from any one else’s. The gender-dysphoria in it is. Still has no influence on respect. At least it SHOULD not have.
Let Me ask a question, and I think this question will help you understand what I’m talking about. If you met a monkey-kin at an ice cream social, having initially perceived them to have a human body, would you upon being properly introduced, hypnotise yourself into seeing a monkey tail behind them?
Well, why should I do that? And why would i? What benefit was gained for the monkeyman or me? Though I would be amazed by my fantasy if I could actually pull that off.
Do you do that? And, haven’t not yet met or even heard of someone identifying as a monkey (or anything else nonhuman), I would have a lot of questions. And I mean actually identifying as such, not just larping as a furry or doing it as some kind of kink.
Anyhow, it would still not really make a strong point as to being “anti reality”. First, you knew before you’d hypnotize yourself, it is objectively a human. As a monkey couldn’t even tell you it is one. It just is. I would classify that as an incredible Fantasy (not meant in a condescending way!) But not an opposition to reality. A wide opened mind with a fantastic imagination. That.